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Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:08 pm

I just heard on the news that a charter aircraft, carrying 135 passengers and 6 crew, disappeared shortly after take off from Sharm-El-Sheik. It was heading for Cairo. Nothing else known yet.
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:14 pm

You just beat me to it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3364795.stm

An Egyptian charter plane with 135 passengers on board is believed to have crashed after disappearing from radar screens.
It is reported to have crashed into the Red Sea.

An unconfirmed report says most of those on board were French.

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:14 pm

haven't heard anything about it yet. will continue searching....
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:15 pm

CAIRO, Egypt  — A charter airliner with 135 people aboard -- most of them French tourists -- crashed shortly after takeoff early Saturday from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh (search), airport officials in Cairo (search) said. There was no immediate word on the fate of the passengers.


The Boeing 737 (search) jet took off shortly before 5 a.m. (10 p.m. EST) and quickly disappeared from radar about seven miles south of the airport, said airport officials, who spoke on customary condition of anonymity.

The officials said 127 passengers and eight crewmembers were aboard the jet operated by the private Egyptian company Air Flash (search), and most were French tourists.

 

 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:20 pm

Oh no.. sad start for aviation in 2004... Just like last year..
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:24 pm

They just interrupetd programming on MSNBC and have included the report that they haven't yet located the wreckage. Somehow some way someone survived...
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:26 pm

Edit: I hope and pray that someone did that is...
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:27 pm

Flash Airlines has operated two B737-300s, built in 92 and 93.
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:28 pm

Our prayers go out to all the family's that lost loved ones, sad way to start off 2004  Sad
Was it not this day 1 year ago in Charlotte(CLT) or somewhere there abouts a beech1900 went down after take off?


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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:31 pm

A340PILOT- That would be JAN 21


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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:31 pm

CNN has broken in. Sad story...  Crying God bless....

[Edited 2004-01-03 08:55:04]
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:33 pm

Flash Airlines is operating with two Boeing 737-300, both aircrafts manufactured in 1993, bearing the Egyptian registration SU - ZCD / S / N 26286 delivered in February 2000 & SU - ZCF / S/N 26283 delivered in June 2001.

^^ direct from Flash Airlines' webpage.

Sad indeed...

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:34 pm

MSNBC just broke in again and they have reached the crash area and there are no immediate reports of survivors. May their souls rest in peace and my deepest condolences and prayers for their loved ones.

What a horrific tragedy...
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:35 pm

Damn, even worse! I seriously hope that at least a few people survived, to paste some light on a dark day in aviation......... Sad


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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:38 pm

This doesn't look good. Let us pray that it isn't as bad as it looks.

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:44 pm


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I'm taking a guess: could be a 737-300 belonging to FLASH AIRLINES of Egypt ? Lots of available pictures on Airliners.net taken at various European airports including Paris. Last photo from Paris June 21, 2003.

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:47 pm

CNN reporting that all 135 passengers and 6 crew died.  Crying

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:49 pm

Very sad start to 2004; I haven't been able to see any TV reports, as out here (AZ - USA), CNN is showing recorded programs and FoxNews has Hannity & Colmes interviewing Kermit the Frog. Thanks everyone for keeping the news flowing here!
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:59 pm

What a waste! RIP

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 5:06 pm

Flash Airlines is the former Heliopolis Airlines, right?
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 5:14 pm

A flash charter airliner crashed shortly after take off. Reports say that shortly after take off the aircraft would have passed over the Red Sea where it was no longer shown on radar. Military aircraft are searching for any rubble, 136 passengers (mostly French tourists) and 6 crew. Very sad and is said to have no survivors RIP Crying such a bad way to start the new year and not to mention all the flights canceled because of terror level.....What a bad time for aviation
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 5:20 pm

The Egyptian aviation authorities immediately labelled it an accident,
before the wreckage or black box's are even found.!!!

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 5:58 pm

Another interesting side note is that Tony Blair is at the resort where this crash took place. He is meeting with Mubarak later in the day.
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 6:51 pm

148 people were aboard before the crash, 7 more than the initial information said. Egyptian Boeing 737 with 135 passengers and a 13-member crew aboard disappeared from the radars minutes after it took off at the Red sea resort of Sharm el Sheik.
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13 crew, on a 737 ?, seems mighty excessive...
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 6:53 pm

This is quite sad. I just read an update from CNN and the current list was 148 people aboard, 135 pax and 13 crew.  Sad

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 7:02 pm


The palne was carrying 141 passengers;129 French tourists,6 Egyptians,and 6 crew members.

Another jet said to have crashed near Paris this morning.The plane was originating from Israel and 3 deads are reported up to the latest news bar i've red.
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 7:07 pm


According to the french news radio: France Info

135 french passengers died.

The plane crashed just after take off.

The plane was due at 9am this morning at CDG.

No survivors were found after a 5 hour search.

Really sad news
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 7:18 pm

"The palne was carrying 141 passengers;129 French tourists,6 Egyptians,and 6 crew members.

Another jet said to have crashed near Paris this morning.The plane was originating from Israel and 3 deads are reported up to the latest news bar i've red."

@ Ts-ior:

This happened yesterday. However this is a tragic incident. Just one day after it was made public that 2003 had the lowest number of commercial aviation deaths since 1945.
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 7:23 pm

Artsyman Wrote

"148 people were aboard before the crash, 7 more than the initial information said. Egyptian Boeing 737 with 135 passengers and a 13-member crew aboard disappeared from the radars minutes after it took off at the Red sea resort of Sharm el Sheik."

If you are right than this is the worst 737 crash for fatalities in history.

Source: http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi_bin/view_manu_details.cgi?aircraft=737

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 7:29 pm

This is really sad and im feeling pretty nervous now since i fly out to Sharm El Sheikh on Thursday AND we're talking a flight from SSH upto Cairo during the week. Lets just hope the Egyptian Officials have got it right and it was just mechanical failure of some sort.

Is SSH still processing flights or has it been shut for the time being???
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 7:38 pm

News was sketchy this morning on bbc tv. Sky News this morning was saying that there were 13 crewmembers on board at one point.

What a sad start to 2004

Lets just hope they find the FDR and black box and find out why the plane crashed
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 7:53 pm

Wirraway,

The Egyptian aviation authorities immediately labelled it an accident,
before the wreckage or black box's are even found.!!!


I our part of the world (Arabs) we call any crash and accident, it is the norm. Next time please read about others culture before making any judgments.


Our prayers goes to the families of the passengers and crew.

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:14 pm

Very sad news....

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:36 pm

SV777KiloAlpha

Read my post again and tell me where I made a judgment, it may have
been better for the Egypt aviation authorities to say "Cause unknown" before
the facts are known, I hope that the authorities let in a team of international
investigators as well as their own. The 737 has a great safety record and it
is most important that the reason for this horrific 'Accident' is determined.

Wirraway

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:53 pm

Wirraway,

I was explaining to you that the Egyptians did not conclude that it is an accident, as you have blamed them for saying so, in your first post!

It is the norm in this part of the world to say "an accident" at any car, plane or even a motorbike crash. People do speak different languages around the world!

I would imagine that, since the crash happened on Egyptian territory, they will take the lead in the investigation.


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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:58 pm

A crew of 6 seems more logical to me : 2 Pilots and 4 F/A but if they mentioned 13, there was maybe some crew off duty on a positioning flight SSH-CAI.

It sounds strange to me that terrorist would target an Egyptian Charter airline... A Terrorist act has always a strong political message, they always attack the "symbols" of a nation, or a religion : Embassy, synagogue, National Airline, WTC, Pentagon, Eiffel Tower etc...

If some Terrorist organization would want "punish" Egypt for its cooperation with the US or Israël, I think they would rather target an Egypt'Air aircraft, bound to the U.S or a famous Egyptian tourist's Symbolic site like Luxor, Gizeh, well known in the whole world
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:04 pm

A sad start on the new year!

I've just heard on the news that the 733 underwent a C or D check @ SVG (Stavanger, Norway) last year.

Actually not very relavant I think, but its one of the first time I have heard such info on the news so short after a accident.

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:08 pm

Well that is really a sad news.

My thoughts are with the famillies and relatives.

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:22 pm

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/378985.html

The plane crashed in the Strait of Tiran, between the Sinai peninsula and Saudi Arabia, where the water is about 1,000 meters (3,300 feet) deep.

Really sad. Kilavoud.
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:37 pm

The Swiss News here say there were 135 Pax, 6 active crew members and 7 positioning crew.... the plane was routing VCE-SSH-CAI-CDG.
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:12 pm

Was it SU-ZCF or SU-ZSD?
Very sad day.
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:12 pm

I've read that Flash Airlines maintenance took place in Norway.
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:14 pm

Yahoo! says that the plane came to Cairo from Milan.
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:46 pm

The plane flew the day before for the Italian tour operator Alpitur SSH-TRN-SSH in the morning and SSH-VCE-CIA-SSH in the late afternoon.
It landed at 3.30am then after 1 hour of turnaround it left SSH to CDG via CAI.

Italian tourists on the previous flight reported the the flight was without any problems.

 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:53 pm

What's the history of the plane? Previous owners and reg'n etc?
Very sad start to the new year. RIP to the victims.
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:58 pm

I found this sad statement on their web-site!!! They did it, to show that their airline is well insured and safe, sadly it is now reality..... RIP

Flash Airlines both aircrafts are insured for legal and third party liability and passenger, liability by El Shark Insurance Company for an amount of 550 Millions USD for each aircraft.
 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:08 pm

It's sad.. said on BBC News 24 that lots of children were on the flight  Sad

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:19 pm

AFP
Saturday, January 3, 2004. 9:37pm (Australian Eastern Daylight Time)

Red Sea plane crash kills 148

An Egyptian plane carrying 135 French tourists and 13 Egyptians crashed into the Red Sea shortly after take-off from the resort of Sharm el-Sheikh early on Saturday, killing all on board, according to officials.

"All people who were aboard the plane are dead," Osama al-Sayed, a senior official with its owners, Flash Airlines, told reporters.

The aircraft disappeared from the radar screens of Cairo airport at 4:44 am (local time), minutes after taking off from the Red Sea resort, the civil aviation authority said.

According to the Al-Ahram newspaper, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was scheduled to go to Sharm el-Sheikh Saturday for talks with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who is holidaying there.

"There were 135 French tourists aboard as well as 13 Egyptians, six of them crew members," said an airline official asking not to be identified.

"The plane had arrived from Venice with Italian tourists aboard and took off an hour later.

"The aircraft had been due to make a short stopover in Cairo to refuel before continuing to Roissy Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris."

State television showed air force planes, navy ships and a helicopter searching the sea within sight of the coastline, but no debris or bodies were shown.

The official MENA news agency said only one body had so far been pulled from the water.

"No survivors have been found after five hours of searching, and only one piece of airplane debris has been recovered," said Sayed.

The Boeing 737 carried a relief crew of seven and a working crew of six as well as the French holidaymakers, the television said.

Pieces of wreckage were found in the sea about 15 kilometres south of Sharm el-Sheikh, civil aviation authorities said.

Flight 604 had been due to land at the charter terminal of Paris's Roissy Charles de Gaulle airport at 9.00 am (local time), the airport authority said.

The French foreign ministry said its diplomatic services were on an emergency footing in both Paris and Cairo, seeking to find out the circumstances of the crash.

Airport officials comforted a group of people who had been awaiting friends and relatives returning on the charter aircraft from a winter break.

Ambulances were on hand in case of need as the waiting group was ushered onto a bus, and taken to an airport hotel to be given more information on the disaster.

Journalists were kept at a distance by airport staff.

The crash came just days after a similar accident in the tiny West African state of Benin, when a plane owned by Guinean-based airline UTA skidded into the sea off the capital Cotonou, killing 139 people, many of them Lebanese.

Several British, French and Mexican flights to the United States have been cancelled in recent days.

Washington and London have been on heightened alert throughout the Christmas and New Year period because of fears of a terror attack, possibly an attempt by Al Qaeda to repeat the September 11 suicide plane attacks.

On December 28, the British government warned that an extremist attack could be in the final stages of preparation in Saudi Arabia and advised British nationals not to travel to the oil-rich kingdom.

This was the third serious accident involving an Egyptian plane in the last several years.

On May 7, 2002, an EgyptAir flight crashed outside Tunis, killing 14 people and injuring 48 others, Tunisian officials said.

Investigators said the possible causes of the crash were human error, a technical fault or bad weather, though EgyptAir insisted it was caused by bad weather.

On October 31, 1999, an EgyptAir flight crashed off the US Atlantic coast, killing all 217 people on board.

The Egyptian authorities deny US assertions that the crash was deliberately caused by the co-pilot.

--AFP

 
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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:42 pm

Oh my God. That is scary. My mom is flying back from Cyprus today to JFK with a layover in LHR. I really hope that this thing wasn't a terrorist attack.

What a horrible way to start off 2004.

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RE: Plane Crash In Egypt!

Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:49 pm

This is what there website says about there pilots/planes:


"Flash Airlines qualified pilots have a minimum of 5000 hours each, and long experience of flying domestically and internationally.

Flash Airlines qualified Engineers are certified by the Egyptian Civil Aviation Authorities to perform light maintenance up to 8A checks for our fleet.

Flash Airlines both aircrafts are insured for legal and third party liability and passenger, liability by El Shark Insurance Company for an amount of 550 Millions USD for each aircraft"


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