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United Express After Independence Air

Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:52 am

I don't know if this has been clarified yet or not, but who will be the sucessor for UAX's operations will be? TSA possibly? My parents booked flights to FLL via ORD about a week ago and UA upgraded the flight from an ACA CRJ to a mainline 733. Is this because of ACA's departure? I would personally think that its going to be a scramble effort for UA to get everything together. Thanks.
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7574EVER
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:27 am

As far as I know Air Wisconsin will be taking over ACA routes. That's the rumor I've been hearing and if you look at Air Wisconsin's route map they've already taken over some of ACA's routes. It will most likely be a slow and gradual transition not something that will take place overnight. I have also heard the rumor that TSA would return to Chicago and take over but I think it will be Air Wisconsin all the way.
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PVD757
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:27 pm

Chatuaqua is taking over PVD's IAD routes next month before the agreement with ACA expires. UA will have to scramble and decide which routes they will be able to keep running at that time because either they or their partners do not have the resources to just pick up the slack the day that the ACA agreement expires. Plus, if i'm not mistaken, ACA owns the commuter gate area in IAD as well............oops for UABig grin
 
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:30 pm

Chautauqua? When did Chautauqua announce that they would serve as a United Express carrier?
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:43 pm

OOps , I meant Trans States. I have Chatuaqua on the mind today............
 
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:42 pm

Air Wisconsin is taking over most of the Washington traffic, and SkyWest is starting to fly a few of the Chicago routes as well.
 
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:19 pm

"Air Wisconsin is taking over most of the Washington traffic, and SkyWest is starting to fly a few of the Chicago routes as well."

Really!? I didn't know that SkyWest moved into Chicago. Will they continue to expand here? And when did AirWisconsin move to Washington? This is interesting news.
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PVD757
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:23 pm

Rumor has it that Air Wisconsin is/was trying to hire a couple of hundred ramp employees for ops at IAD by the end of the year. I think UA is just trying to scramble at this time with no real plan in place.
 
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:29 am

Sky West is moving in on quite a few cities currently handled by ACA. LEX, TYS, BNA and a few others......sky west is hiring for customer service/ramp in those cities and actually holding group interviews! The next few months will be interesting.
 
potomac
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:56 am

AWAC has been serving as UAX at IAD for some time now, though not on many routes.

however, i hardly think UA is scrambling now - the prospective loss of ACA/emergence of Independence has been on the radar for a while. and yes, ACA/Indy controls the terminal A commuter gates.
 
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:11 am

I agree Potomac...this has been in the works for a long time. I hope UA is not scrambling as I'd like to see a smooth transition for both carriers. ACA does have the A gates,,,and now a few B gates(non operational). I think both airlines have a good chance. UA has a good chance to prove it's commitment to IAD as a hub...and Indy has a good chance to make IAD a low fare hub with some choices.
 
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:08 am

When ACA ends operations as UAX, State College, PA will be dropped from the United network. Right now its served by 4 daily J-41's. Its not a candidate for RJ service. I don't know if there are any other small cities, turboprop only, that will be dropped when the ACA contract ends.
 
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:18 am

UAL will not "scramble" to cover ACA. ACA is still bound by the old contract as long as UAL is willing to pay the old rates. Therefore... UAL controls the spooldown of ACA. UAL won't pull the plug on them until they are good and ready.
 
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:25 am

and with that, i dont know if it has been set in stone or announced which existing ACA routes will be immediately retained and replaced, eventually replaced, and dropped entirely. interesting, though, how some brand new routes from IAD, such as STL, MCI, AUS, MSP have been rolled out/announced.
 
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 8:21 am

J32Driver...

To an extent UA has control.

However, UA only has the opportunity to "repeal" the ACA contract while it is in bankruptcy.

Ergo, the very last day UA can drop ACA is the day before it emerges from bakrupcty, forecast to be June.
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 8:30 am

"When ACA ends operations as UAX, State College, PA will be dropped from the United network. Right now its served by 4 daily J-41's. Its not a candidate for RJ service. I don't know if there are any other small cities, turboprop only, that will be dropped when the ACA contract ends."

Charlottesville, VA currently also has 4x daily J41 service (though the last flight in and first flight out become CRJ in March, according to the schedule)... hopefully UA will keep it in the network. If US, who has by far the most current service here crumbles, and UA departs, then all I'll have left is DL Dorniers and CRJs... at very high prices.
 
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:24 pm

Where is UA going to put Express if ACA/Independence Air owns the A gates? Are they going to use the system they use at ORD (parking 3-5 planes at a gate and making you walk outside) or will they use mainline gates? I think UA has enough empty gates, but I haven't been to IAD in a long time.
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:37 pm

Most of the former ACA flying out of IAD will be either converted to mainline 737s or handed over to Air Wisconsin/Sky West. It has been said that the 737s of United have the same operating cost of a CRJ-200! Therefore, they can easily make money with even load factors around 50%!

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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:06 pm

With the additional AWAC ops into and out of IAD as United Express, has anyone heard any rumors of adding MKE-IAD service? another thread also suggests new MSP-IAD service, which is also completely new--and exciting--to me.

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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 9:05 pm

Where is Independence going to put their 319s/320s at IAD? If relations return to amicable maybe Indy will swap some commuter gates with UAL for `regular' gates? Big grin
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potomac
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:38 pm

there was a press release yesterday announcing the new IAD-MSP service (starting in april), as well as the service to AUS and the DEN-BHM and DEN-RDU flights.

as far as gate space at IAD, i believe - but arent entirely certain - that UAX will use ramp space adjacent the C and D concourses, where buses take pax from the gate to the planes. not ideal, undoubtedly, though it may be a shorter trip than having to go from C/D to A or T as is the case now.
 
J32driver
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RE: United Express After Independence Air

Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:40 pm

"Ergo, the very last day UA can drop ACA is the day before it emerges from bakrupcty, forecast to be June."


Yep... forgot about that. UAL still doesn't have to exit until all the express ducks are in a row though. I think the express transition will be fairly smooth in IAD.

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