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767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:26 pm

I've only flown on a 767 twice, but both times I thought we blew a tire on landing. Both were VERY hard. Have I just had bad luck on 767's or is this common on the 67's and why? Can anyone shed some light?
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JBirdAV8r
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:30 pm

Regardless of what some people on this board will tell you, any aircraft in the WORLD--regardless of manufacturer or model--is capable of making a "greaser" landing. "Firm" landings, from a passenger standpoint, are really not indicative of anything, since they really don't have any way of knowing why the landing was so hard.

I've had great landings and some real stinkers in the 767. Aircraft type makes no difference. I guess you just got "unlucky", if you could call it that.
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:30 pm

I have been on lots of 67's and I have only had 1 hard landing, all the other times they have been smooth
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:32 pm

Probably just bad luck, Ive had very good, normal and very hard landings on all the aircraft Ive flown. Could have been the pilots flared too high and it dropped a bit, could have been bad Wx and in such case a rough TD is a bit safer than greasing it in...

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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:35 pm

I will say that the smoothest landings I've EVER had are on the 744 and the 772 and 3. Greaser greaser greaser.....

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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:37 pm

"I guess you just got "unlucky", if you could call it that.

Not from my perspective. I just love those harder landings. . .kinda wakes people up to the fact that flying isn't all "smooth 'n nice" like some oblivious pax seem to be these days. As mentioned else where, just because you have a rough landing. . .doesn't mean it was bad at all.

My one 762 experience: smooth landing.
My one 763 experience: hard landing.
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:40 pm

When I was on the Spirit of Delta (762), it landed like an old clunker.
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:44 pm

While many factors could contribute to a hard landing, I will say maybe you got a PF who had been flying his last few trips on a 757. Entirely possible.
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:45 pm

I had one rough landing in a 763 once, we hit really hard and bounced back up in the air before coming back down again and coming to a stop. It was a little freaky. All other landings have been smooth though, even the ones done in less than ideal conditions
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:50 pm

My one 744 experience: rough landing, hard braking and reverse thrust.
My two DC-10 experiences: surprisingly smooth and easy.
My two 772 experiences: smooth as silk, barely used reverse thrust on one of them.
My myriad 737, 757, and A320 experiences: all over the map, from floating down like a feather to dropping on the runway like a ton of bricks.

All different airlines (WN, UA, NW, CO, etc.) and different airports. I think it's just "luck of the draw," so to speak.
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:51 pm

After over 10000 landings I can tell you with absolute certainity, that the touchdown has nothing to do with whether a landing is good or bad. On speed, on center line, in the touchdown zone = good landing. I'm currently flying the 767 and I grease about half of them and the other half I don't. And the thing is that I do the same thing every time.
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:22 pm

I experienced a pretty hard landing on an Ansett 767-200. It was only a one-off and all my other 767 landings have been smooth. I did read though that the 727 was one a/c type that was particularly hard to land for some reason, had to do with the centre of pressure on the 727 wing or something on the flare.
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:31 pm

Well i was on a 763ER from YVR to australia via HNL... when we landed in HNL it was like "we landed?" and in Sydney it was same a/c same pilot and he just slammed the thing down as if there was a fire up his ass...


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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:32 pm

I'm a USAF pilot so I guess any landing is a smooth greaser to me. However, I've noticed that mostly the B763 seems to hit the numbers a little harder when the pilots don't pay too much attention to their speed. But that can be said about generally any aircraft. Also, I've experienced that worn down runway surfaces at some of our "beautiful" US airports are becoming the determining factor as far as not so smooth landings are concerned. I too believe you experience was coincidental.

 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:40 pm

Any landing you can walk away from...............  Big grin

I've had good landings in the 763ER.... but then, a friend was flying it, so I had to tell him otherwise to give him a hard time...... Big grin
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:50 pm

I've never heard that 767's are prone to hard landings. If they did, I'm sure we'd hear about 767's blowing tires on a regular tire.
I can't recall a single hard landing with a 767, and I've flown 767's several times
FYI, my hardest landing was on a NW 727 coming into Detroit. Like someone said, that really caught ones attention!
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:58 pm

I've never had any hard B767 landings either. Even though we flew in quite some heavy snow and wind on our final approach. The hardest landing I recall was Phoenix on a LH A340.
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:42 pm

I've only had one "hard landing", or at least what I'd consider to be one. It was on a United Express (ACA) CRJ into SBN. I've also been on 2 other Delta CRJ's, and they were both fairly smooth, I think it was just bad luck that both of yours weren't the most smooth landings. Big grin
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:51 pm

CanadianNorth-

How could it be the same pilot landing in both HNL and australia? Wouldn't that put him/her just a tad over the 8 hour flying time limit? Or are the rules different up north?

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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:14 pm

DIA:
Not from my perspective. I just love those harder landings. . .

I second that notion! As for the 763, I've experienced some greasers and some slammers, as a passenger and also while spotting. The slammers are far more entertaining in both cases! For those of us who still take childish delight in flying, dramatic take-offs and landings can't be beat!
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:19 pm

Paddy

How right you are!!!!!  Big grin
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:29 pm

Looking at some of the MD-11 touchdowns, this bird seems to be a magnet for rough landings.
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:43 pm

FWIW...the smoothest and best landing I ever experienced in my 30 years of flying was on a SpanAir 767-300ER at MAD. July 14, 2001. I'll never forget it.

Likewise, I've had some hard landings on a 763 also, as well as other aircraft. Whoever said it's all the "luck of the draw" is exactly right.
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:57 pm

Any time the plane can be used again, it's a good landing! I've had landings ranging from so smooth I didn't wake up until we were stopped at the gate to so rough I had to change my pants at the first restroom. Good thing I travel carry-on. LOL
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:14 am

Greasers are not necessarily "good" landings. Pilots attempting greasers may land long and subsequently use more reverse thrust and braking than what a sticker landing would require. This also brings into question which is the "safer" landing.....
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:30 am

Smoothest landing in my 24 year life was DTW-FCO in February of '01...that classic -10 sailed down the runway, and only idle T/R was used...

I've had great landing in 762s and 763s, but I've had 3 horrible, horrible landings in 764s...all of them DL, all of them at FLL.
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:47 am

Delta seems to be the #1 candidate for rough touchdowns. I recently experienced a landing that could've knocked your brains out. Not to mention the hard braking maneuver they did. This was in a B764 as well.
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:56 am

I have only been on DL 767s. All three types operated, 200, 300, and 400. All I can say is, all the landings were hard. No other DL plane seems to have this problem.

Sometimes I think only Navy carrier pilots are allowed to fly the 767. Just kidding!

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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:57 am

My experience with 767's (about 10 flights) is they are just like any other plane some hard some smooth depends....
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:31 am

I have had 2 hard landings on the 67.

The first one was in strong winds so I guess the pilot wanted to get the plane on the ground asap before a crosswind blew us off course.

The second time was in normal conditions, but it was bloody heavy. The cabin crew actually said over the PA, "I'm sure that woke you up. Welcome to Monastir".

From my experience, the smoothest landings seem to be from the first class cabin on the 744. I presume it is because one is a long way from the main gear.
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:09 pm

If the runway is wet or ice is possible, I want a hard landing. Get those tires firmly on the ground and let all the whiners complain, at least they didn't have to walk, if they could, from a crumpled airplane to a bus.

"Thrust reversers only?" Thats a good one.
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:13 pm

I've flown 12 times in 767-300s (AA and LanChile)

Only one hard landing, in MIA.
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:39 pm

When the A320 first made it's appearance in the U.S. you should have been on those. It was like a Pogo stick. Bong Bong . BONG! Especially in DCA.


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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:58 pm



It also depends where you land. Take some RWY`s at FRA and everything seems hard - as they are bumby and rough from all those 74's landing and landing and landing...sometimes the plane seems to jump up and down, and thats because of the uneven RWY!!

As long as you land somewhere and can get out the plane its a good landing!

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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:32 pm

Paddy I'm with you.. make em hard, and just before slamming it home, give us a lil crab angle and wobble the wings a bit!
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:38 pm

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but yes the B767-200 in particular does appear to land quite heavily - I think it is due in part to the fact the forward tires on the main undercarriage bogies hang downmards.

Any B762 pilots care to comment? the 763 seems to be more of a "greaser" in comparison.

I fly both back in the cabin, but the B767-300 definately appears to handle differently to the B767-200.
 
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RE: 767 "The Crater Maker?"

Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:49 pm

**When I was on the Spirit of Delta (762), it landed like an old clunker.**

I must have had the same pilot as you. I flew that plane DTW-ATL back in June 2002 and when we landed at ATL, I thought that my back was going to get thrown out

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