ScottishLaddie
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Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:06 am

Can anyone tell me what happened to them/where they went after Canada 3000 went bust. Inparticular C-GGWA as it was the one I flew on  Smile. I believe it was the first A330-200 built to order. Any help is much appreciated.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:12 am

C-GGWA is now with Volare Airlines (Italy), just like I think all the other Canada 3000 A330s.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 3:27 am

Thanks Ndebele  Smile
I remember it being a very comfortable aircraft. But then I was only 11 at the time. It was that flight that got me hooked on aviation, GLA-YYZ. I have had many flights since then but as I enjoyed it so much and it was the first flight that I can remember, I remember it better than any of the others.
The return flight was not nearly as good nightflight back on a 757.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:13 am

I personally never flew on an ex-C3 A330, but photos I have seen make me glad I did not. No bulkheads dividing the cabin sections, tight seat pitch and those f*****g fire engine red seats themselves. Plus, the lavs located on the sides at exit door locations in full view of the cattle-car cabin was "euhhh, I dunno". A couple of Skyservice FA's I know who flew for C3 stated the crews hated working the A330 for the above reasons; the irony was, this aircraft offered some of the best pairings/layovers in the C3 system.

I could be wrong here, but I've been told that the ex-C3 A330's, powered by Pratt and Whitney, were extremely limited in terms of cargo payload, especially
on the extreme long haul routes such as Fiji and Australia. TS waited one extra year for their A330's, in order that the aircraft would be powered by Trent Rolls Royce, thus, their payloads (cargo and pax) had far better perimeters than C3.

There is a photo of the ex-C3 A330 on this site.

I flew a C3 (B757) red-eye from YVR to YYZ in early 1996, and that was a flight from hell. The seat pitch was God-awful; though, in all fairness, C3 offered fairly good in-flight service and edible food.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:24 am

I quite liked the C3 A330, but perhaps it was by my experience...YYZ-LGW was overnight at a window on one of their cramped little 757's + totally full + my first time across the ocean + first overnight flight + the longest flight I'd ever been on = 1 hellish experience! Coming back, it was an A330, no more than 2/3 full, with more legroom, free wine with dinner, I just enjoyed it so much more! Plus I LOVE the 2-4-2 seating when I have a window!!!

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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:33 am

I have to agree with Cytz_pilot
A330 = enjoyable
757 = pretty darn awful. Especially with heavy turbulence for the duration of the flight.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:48 am

Canadi>nBoy:
The C3 A332´s were powered by GE engines, not P&W.
Although not the highest possible rated version.

KA.
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:52 am

Really, General Electric? I could have sworn they were P&W. Or was that Black and Decker?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Oh well, never mind! Thanks for the info, Ka.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:58 am

Hey all,
Just got back from a pairing from Lauda with C-FRAE. Saw the 4 330's that Volare has from C3. Not looking really good. Really dirty. From what I hear Volare is not in the best of shape now and who knows those 330's might end up back in Canada. Just have to wait and see  Big grin

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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:00 am

Hey Airman, was there a female FA on your crew by the name of Annette
(redhead) by any chance? I believe she told me she was doing that pairing.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:03 am

Hey there,
No actually she was on one of the other crews. We had 4 flying around. But I know exactly who you are talking about.

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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:07 am

It has been reported that 2 of the Volare A332 will go to Qatar Airways and another 2 to the start-up Air MAdrid. Not quite sure which regs go where. Source: skyliner-aviation.de

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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:11 am

Might see them more often in Uk if they go to Qatar
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:11 am

Hmmm, Airman, just wondering, are you a new-hire? If so, y'all know a sweet Dutch new-hire by the name of Anneke? Flew with her at WG. Very nice woman.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:00 pm

I sure miss those A330's from Canada 3000. They also got me hooked on aviation as well because I flew it 3 times. First and second trip was on C-GGWC and the third was on C-GGWA. The route was Toronto-Port Of Spain Trinidad. I remember when C3 first got them and I was so excited to fly on it back in 1999, when I flew WC, it was 1 month old and it smelled really brand new. Its a great plane, now gotta fly Skyservice and Air Transat A330's.

Regards,

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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 1:13 pm

"....Its a great plane, now gotta fly Skyservice and Air Transat A330's."

BWIA330;
You won't get to POS on a 330 with either of those two. TS didn't renew the contract with the tour operator and SSV's 330 is being used by another airline.

CanadianBoy;
For some odd reason, I also thought C3 had something in their fleet with Pratts (pre QN/CJ days, of course). I vaguely recall a conversation I had with another technician on the subject of C3's engine choice.

C-GGWA sort of gained a reputation for being a jinxed ship. That bird had more issues than the others. Just flukie things, too. But, she was my favorite.
Ahhh the memories..... ~sigh~


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(p.s. I just discovered C3 is the acronym for Angola Air Charter)

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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:39 pm

Hey there,
No not a new hire. I actually flew with Anneke this summer on the Africa pairings. she is a great woman. Really enjoyed flying with her on those flights. God who don't you know at this company??? I think you should head over this way and have a huge reunion.  Smile

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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 12:12 am

Hey Airman99o, LOL, oh, you'd be surprised who I know at Skyservice (and Air Transat). Actually, quite a few ex-Worldways and a couple of ex-Wardair FA's/ISM's fly for your carrier, but you probably already know that. Yes, Anneke is one sincere, kind-hearted genuine honey of a gal, I adore her. Next time you fly with her, ask her about a certain infamous 2 day layover she had in AMS in 1990, where our cabin crew had quite the memorable time!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Hmmmm, two others come to mind: CSM Jennifer G (we called her "The Stepford Stew" at WG; she referred to me as "Sh*tlips"), and FA (number 1 seniority at Skyservice) Ms. Sylvia, whom I nickname, "Tokyo Rose"; her name for me is "F**kface". LOL. Great women, beautiful too.

I had a surprise "mini-reunion" on-board a TS A310 (YYZ-LGW, enroute to CPH) this past May; 5 of the 7 cabin crew on that flight were ex-WG, and it was GREAT to see them all again. They bumped us up to Club Class and fed us booze all the way across the Atlantic, and they also let me "work" the A310 aft galley for old time sake. It was a blast. I was brewing coffee/tea and restocking the galley while they were in the aisles doing the continental breakfast service.

Happy flying, man! May they all be safe ones.

Canadi>nBoy
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 12:24 am

Awspicious wrote:

"CanadianBoy; For some odd reason, I also thought C3 had something in their fleet with Pratts (pre QN/CJ days, of course). I vaguely recall a conversation I had with another technician on the subject of C3's engine choice."

First and foremost, Happy New Year, Awspicious. I hope 2004 is a healthy, happy and prosperous one for you. Secondly, I swear I'm not mistaken in the fact that C3 operated at least one A330 powered by P&W engines. I KNOW I heard that from an industry person at least twice in the past. I could be wrong, but....
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:24 am

Funny thing that you mention that layover. i think that Anneke had mentioned that layover to me. She was talking about the days she was working with World Ways and even before that TransAvia. I think that was the name of the other airline she worked for. I really hope that I do get a chance to see her this winter season. As for the nick name for Ms Number 1 fa. i don't think I will call her that. LOL She is a lovely person as well. Enjoy flying with her. Funny though I don't think I have ever seen this woman without a smile. Hmmm how were those layovers.  Big grin Oh well I do know one more flight attendant that used to work at WorldWays. A Miss T. Fereara ( Scott ) Really funny girl. I have heard about many a time her and the flight crew getting into Trouble. Was halarious. Wonder have you ever heard about the Steak Sandwich incident in Portugal???

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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:52 am

Hello, joining late into this conversation. I don't recall anything about PW powered A330's at C3, but I too could be wrong. I do know that they had lots of problems with their GE's though.

I flew only once in the C3 A330, from OPO to YYZ, and found it quite comfortable. 2-4-2 seating definitely helps, as opposed to the standard 3-3-3 seating in many charter configurations. The seat itself was reasonably comfortable, and the service good overall.

Since we are talking about old WG f/a's, Canadi>nBoy, do you know a Portuguese f/a by the name of Sonia? She was at WG, and went to Royal at the same time I did. She has since married, and her last name starts with G, but I don't know her maiden name. If I have to, I'll try to send you a picture of her, as you'd have to remember this one!  Smile
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:04 am

Ah yes, Amsterdam, July, 1990.....did Anneke mention to you that we entered a "Hard Rock Cafe" store, very uh...."happy"? I ripped off my t-shirt, stood up on the glass counter where there was a mirror on the wall behind the counter; I started gyrating and bumping and grinding to the loud rock music in the store. The FA's and our ISM (In-flight service manager) were cheering me on while they were, er, "smokin". 2 elderly Dutch women got very annoyed with me. The girls on my crew dragged me off the counter, ripped off my belt and tied it around my neck like a dog collar. They proceeded to "walk me" (I was on my hands and knees) down the streets of AMS, with a joint hanging out of my mouth. Each of us was in tears from non-stop laughing. Later, we all had great fun purchasing huge Dutch pastries off of a street vendor, then whipping them at passing traffic. We ran and ran through the streets (we interruped a childrens puppet show going on in a small square) and back alleyways, frequenting bars and a disco for yet more drinks until about, God, I think it was dawn. I swear to God that I have never, ever, laughed so hard and continuously (5-6 hours) in my life.

On our return flight home (AMS-YYZ, DC-8-63) I worked the rear cabin with a delicious girl on the crew named Kim. Anneke was working the fwd cabin/galley. We were (the entire cabin crew) totally wiped out from our 2 days of "fun". We had a check supervisor on-board, a Dutch guy named Frank, who was pretty cool. Our rear cabin had only 13 pax in it (including 2 Dutch guys who attempted to light up a HUGE joint prior to push-back; we stopped them, confiscated the joint and "secured it"). After the meal service, I
was exhausted, and sat in an empty row of seats mid-cabin....and passed out. Frank, the supervisor, was sitting 3 rows ahead of me, filling out our FA assessment reports for our flight! Kim had to literally drag me out of the pax seat and back to the rear galley where we overdosed on Columbian coffee.
LOL....what a F******G great pairing that was; and crews today would NOT get away with half the shit the WG crews pulled; we were known at Air Canada and CP for being total party crews, which we were.

Portugual? LOL......YES, I know the steak sandwich story! LOL! Ya wanna hear MY Azores total Raunch Layover story?
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:07 am

The 332's were definitely GE and all 752's RR. No PW's for C3.

I argue that the 332 was a key factor in C3's demise. The 332 was really too big for the C3 network and offered too much capacity above the 752.

The 763 would have been a better addition with fewer seats and commonality with the 752 fleet.

Anyway, while C3 was profitable until 2001, the 332's were VERY expensive to operate and make money from. Not appropriate for a charter carrier.
I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:10 am

I have a question I looked at the photos of the inside of the plane, and it was one long plane. I also like the 2 - 4 - 2 layout. My question is this, where there overhead bins in the center section? From the photos it does not look like it, anyone know.

Thanks
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:16 am

"Since we are talking about old WG f/a's, Canadi>nBoy, do you know a Portuguese f/a by the name of Sonia? She was at WG, and went to Royal at the same time I did. She has since married, and her last name starts with G, but I don't know her maiden name. If I have to, I'll try to send you a picture of her, as you'd have to remember this one!"

Hmmmm, sounds familiar. Don't forget, WG had around 600 FA's by 1990. Was she blonde/fair haired with a round pretty face with sexy "sleepy" eyes?
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:26 am

"As for the nick name for Ms Number 1 fa. i don't think I will call her that. LOL She is a lovely person as well. Enjoy flying with her. Funny though I don't think I have ever seen this woman without a smile."

Ms. Skyservice No# 1 FA is without a doubt one of the loveliest, genuine, sweet-hearted women that I know. We talk at least 3 times a month and see each other infrequently, as I do with Anneke. Very pretty too with a great figure. She was always a "straight-shooter" and never joined in our layover shenanigans, but that was cool. Alot of us ex-WGers are all great buddies to this day. And you're right, she always has a smile and a kind word for everyone.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:31 am

If I remember correctly C-GGWA was delivered around April/May time '98 and I flew on it in July of that year.It was spotless. I visited the cockpit during flight (those were the days!) and the pilots seemed very happy with their new aircraft.They had nothing but praise for it at the time.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:04 am

What was the final count of A330's in C3's fleet at the end? And wasn't one of them impounded in MAN when the carrier went belly-up?

"Anyway, while C3 was profitable until 2001, the 332's were VERY expensive to operate and make money from. Not appropriate for a charter carrier."

If I may reiterate, wasn't this high cost factor for the 332 based on the fact that, with the GE engines (thanks for clearing that question up), their cargo payload was greatly restricted on the long haul routes?

"I also like the 2 - 4 - 2 layout. My question is this, where there overhead bins in the center section?"

Yes, C3 330's had the centre bins, unlike Skyservice, which does not. From what i have heard, the Italian flights with Skyservice can be a nightmare at boarding, with pax literally fighting for the use of the side bins.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:10 am

If they were still going today I hope that they would have a new livery.The one they had looked far to boring and dated.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:16 am

Hey there,
ya two of the 330's that Sky operates do not have the center bins. RAE does have them but this is to be leaving the fleet shortly as Malaysian wants the planes back. So that means RAV RAE are gone as of this year and there is a rumor that BUS is gone at the end of this winter season?? That is something that has been floating around the company for a while now. Funny flying over the atlantic this past couple of weeks we flew over RAV while being on RAE. Kinda cool. Too bad they were not in the roots colours :P

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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:24 am

Sonia has very dark hair, and currently wears "artiste" glasses .. you know, the thick, dark, wide glasses? She's really cool. She was supposed to go to Skyservice at the same time as some of my other collegues went, but she chickened out. Oh well, c'est la vie!
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:28 am

C3 ended up with 4 332's.

If I may reiterate, wasn't this high cost factor for the 332 based on the fact that, with the GE engines (thanks for clearing that question up), their cargo payload was greatly restricted on the long haul routes?

I never heard that. Interesting. Was the GE engine underpowered for some reason?

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:05 am

This Sonia, the way you described her....doesn't ring any bells with me. Then again, it's been 14 years, so perhaps I would know "of" her if I saw her.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:26 am

That's ok. All I can say is when I met her at Royal, I figured she was a lively 30 year old woman. I later found out she was the same age as my mom!!! (45 in 2001). Damn!
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:35 am

LOL, hey kiddo, got news for ya.......blink your eye, baby, and you too are gonna be 40-45! It goes by F A S T, especially when you work in aviation/travel. I kid you not. I just turned 40 December 27th, and I'm taken for being 32-33 all the time. Must be that all that fresh cabin air.....not.

Hmmm, you raised a very interesting point here, though. It is not a myth that many flight attendants and ex-flight attendants age wonderfully. I attended a WG mini-reunion 2 years ago, and I and many others there were amazed at how f*****g fantastic everyone looked. It really blew my mind. Two of the Skyservice ex-WG mamas I mentioned above are proof of this. One of them is 47, and could easily pass for 35, the other is 48 and easily looks around 40.

We're like a fine French wine....we only get better with age.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:28 am

hey there,
I have to agree some of the flight attendants that I work with I have been WAY off their age. I have asked some of their secrets and they say lots of abuse, and alcohol.  Smile

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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:37 am

Ironic, isn't it, that the many FA's who have smoked and boozed their way through their careers end up looking fantastic and younger than their years?
So true.
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Wed Jan 07, 2004 8:24 am

I don't get it either! Party hard, lack of sleep, lots of alcohol, ultra dry cabins, and yet they look great! But you do see some of them that are very worn out physically, and especially with horrible skin.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
 
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RE: Canada 3000 A330s

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:44 am

Yeah CaptainGomes, of course, some FA's (with unfortunate genes and a poor choice of diet to match) do show the effects of partying hard through the years. No doubt about it. Skin like leather, premature lines and wrinkles, not helped by all of that dry stale cabin air and horrific sleep schedules...or a chronic lack of proper sleep. We refer to them as "Pushbacks". But in respect to the many who look great, I think you'll discover that a lot of them have avoided the sun for years (I myself stopped suntanning around 1986 and avoid the sun like the plague, and wear sunscreen diligently). Ask them, and you'll be amazed how many of them have not been "in the sun" for years. Plus, many of us radically, and I mean RADICALLY changed our diets in our early thirties (I know this of many of my friends) PLUS a comprehensive exercise routine for a lot of us. And, the infamous level of drinking dropped substantially, with the exception of special occasions.......such as....
Tuesdays.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Yeah, genes play a part, but common sense in regards to diet, proper sleep and exercise and no sun goes a long way. Hmm, just try telling THAT to new hire FA, who is just DYIN to party and screw hard!


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