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AeroMexico's Future Plans

Wed Jan 07, 2004 9:17 am

There is in the December issue of AM's inflight magazine a very small article that deals, among others, with Boeing's new 7E7. I am sorry I don't have the magazine with me, but it said something like "Boeing has involved many airlines in the development of this new family of aircraft, including AeroMexico". It is not the exact words but I promise that's what the article implies. Does this mean that AM might be interested in this plane for the future? I would be really happy if this happened at some point but I am very skeptical that AM would get 7E7's in the medium term.

On the other hand, the rumor that AM might be getting 777's during 2004 or 2005 has been a recurring topic in a.net, together with speculation that AM might start flying to other cities in Europe such as MXP (and increase its flights to Madrid and CDG). As I understand from the different threads dealing with AM's plans for the future, SkyTeam is pressuring AM to upgrade the aircraft it is using for its long haul flights (or at least acquire more 767-300's). I just came back from a holiday in Brazil and I must say that I found the 767-200 to be pretty comfortable, although I must confess it would have been awesome to fly a 777 with PTV's instead.

If you have any ideas, have heard rumors, or have any information in connection with the foregoing, let me know. And also tell me if AM will completely replace its MD fleet with new 737-700NG's or if the new aircraft will be only for selected routes.

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RE: AeroMexico's Future Plans

Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:15 pm

I don't have the magazine with me

I do.

"The future is at hand
Besides its New Generation 737, Boeing is working on more innovative alternatives with the collaboration of several commercial airlines, Aeromexico among them. Its current project is the 7E7, the most advanced and efficient double-aisle airliner and a trailblazer when it comes to ecological foresight and passenger comfort.

Well., it is certainly subject to interpretation. Probably nobody here more than me wishes that as hard as I do. What it is a fact is that the 737-700 IS and WILL be replacing the older MDs and DC9ers. Upon the dispatch reliability and performance of the first 15 AM will sign firm the options it has (more than 35 if not mistaken) of either 737-7/8/900. I would say that in a time lapse of 10-12 years AM fleet will be composed of nothing more than next-generation 737s and one type of widebody (777 gets my choice) being about to order or already waiting for the 7E7 if that ever happens.

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RE: AeroMexico's Future Plans

Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:26 am

I just have to ask: won't the 737NG's be considered old in 12 years? (I did not want to use the word "obsolete", but it came to my mind). I am sure that by then Airbus will have a new generation A320 family and Boeing itself will be considering (or even building) a replacement for the 737 (I imagine a sort of a 3:4 scale, single aisle 7E7). What do you think? Besides, in 10 years time, the MD80's will be real relics.

As to the 777's, I hope AM starts replacing its 762's and 763 with 777's soon (at least for the MAD and CDG routes). Not that I don't like the 767's (I just flew to GRU and back and my experience was pleasant), but having an all-777 widebody fleet would be awesome (with PTV's!!!).

Final question, will AeroLitoral get an all-Embraer fleet? Someone said in another thread it would merge with AM but that doesn't make much sense to me. What do you make of that?
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RE: AeroMexico's Future Plans

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:10 pm


Im sorry to dissapoint you but 777 is not scheduled this year. Maybe the'll bring it next December of 04 or definitely in 05.

I was told (before all that US thing) that AM have plans to bring 3 more B767-300s next year. I was told that the most convenient thing to do was getting B767-200s because they are less restricted in MEx than the B767-300s but in the market currently there are no -200s and only 6 -300s so they'll get 3 from those 6 available.

Another for sure thing is that AM will change their aircraft configuration.

B767-200s will get a 165 pax config. (30J/135Y) before was 179 (21J/158Y)
B767-300s will get a 180 pax config. (30J/150Y) before was 209 (21J/188Y)

So there will be more space on AM long haul fleet!!!

MD87s replaced the Dc9s while B737s are replacing the MD87 fleet. (Of course in the media they said that the B737 thing was the Dc9 replacement)

I read AM had 39 more options with Boeing via lessors. But I haven't asked if this is true.... for now AM is only focused on the new 737s and next 767s maybe as soon as the 15 737-700s AM will come up with a surprise of a 30 B737-800 order for the MD80 replacement. And probably they'll be getting 1 737-800 every month until they complete the 30. Last MD80 in AM will retire in 2008.

About the 7E7 I'll cross my fingers! It would be a surprise if AM is a launch customer.

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RE: AeroMexico's Future Plans

Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:04 pm

AM needs without doubts the 777 for routes to Europe.Maybe,with two/three planes can be enough.
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RE: AeroMexico's Future Plans

Sun Jan 18, 2004 3:06 am

EddieDude:"will AeroLitoral get an all-Embraer fleet?"
I just red in a Brazilian magazine that Aeromexico had bought five ERJ 145 and an option for other 25...So I think it could happens. Hope so!
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RE: AeroMexico's Future Plans

Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:15 am

In the past few days many threads in connection with the Boeing 767-400 have been started in a.net. Basically they deal with whether the aircraft was a failure for Boeing or not, and how it compares with Airbus' A330-200. While reading all the postings, I learnt that (i) only DL and CO purchased 764's from Boeing (and perhaps an African carrier also bought one or two... I don't know for sure), (ii) the 764 shares its avionics, cockpit and interiors with the 777, (iii) Boeing has sold less than one half of the number of 764's that it needs to sell to recoup its investment, and (iv) the a.net members cannot agree -as always- on whether CO and DL (especially CO) are happy with its 764's or not.

Now, in connection with AM, I have read in several threads that SkyTeam is pressuring AM to acquire 777's for its flights to MAD and CDG (and in the future to MXP according to speculation) or, AT LEAST, get more 763's (as I understand, AM has several 762's but only one 763 at the moment). It seems to me that the 764 is perfectly suited for trans-Atlantic flights such as MEX-CDG, has more pax capacity than its smaller siblings, and is cheaper to acquire (and most likely to operate) than the 772. So, wouldn't it be perhaps a good alternative for AM to consider the acquisition of one or two 764's? Boeing is probably happy with AM thanks to the 737's orders and options, so I am sure Boeing would gladly make a discount, especially if it is so far behind its sales target. And if AM is not able to afford new aircraft and if CO (or DL) is really unhappy with its 764's, maybe AM could buy one or two used 764's from its codeshare (and SkyTeam) partner(s).

What do you guys make of it? Sure the 764 cannot match the A332 or the 772 in terms of cargo capacity (and this is important because I guess AM's flights between MEX and European cities attract mainly tourists, and touristic flights are very cargo-intensive), but I guess it must have at least a small edge over the 762 and 763 simply because of its lengthened fuselage, right? Does someone agree with me or am I only saying stupid things? I figure out that a 764 can offer an airline like AM the best of both worlds (i.e., the best of the 767 family and the best of the 777 family) at a good price. I will appreciate your thoughts.
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RE: AeroMexico's Future Plans

Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:23 am

The 764 would be a terrible choice for AM. Transatlantic flights from a 7200 foot high airfield with the 764 would probably take crippling weight restrictions.

The 777-200ER is perfect for the mission. I'd love to see a few in AM colors.
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RE: AeroMexico's Future Plans

Sun Jan 18, 2004 7:34 am

Even the 767-300 is weight restricted when AM sends it to MAD or CDG from Mexico City. AM's 763 is almost always flying the MEX-SCL-MEX and sometimes the MEX-GRU-MEX and the MEX-JFK-MEX. Although eventually it does fly to MAD and CDG, AM prefers to send it to South America, since the time departures to MAD and CDG are not the best for the airplane during the summer. MAD flights depart at 14:30 and 18:50 (AM001 and AM003) and CDG flights departs at 14:35 (AM005) when you could still see the sun in MEX with high temperatures, so the performance of the engines is not the best considering the altitude of the airport.
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RE: AeroMexico's Future Plans

Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:30 am

The severe weight/payload restrictions on the 764 due to MEX altitude will only limit that plane to flights on regional routes. Kenya Airways, I believe, is the African carrier who got the 764.
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RE: AeroMexico's Future Plans

Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:57 pm

>>Kenya Airways, I believe, is the African carrier who got the 764.<<

They had placed an order for some longer-range version of the 764, but in the end they cancelled it and instead got some 763's (if I'm not mistaken). Boeing never launched that longer-range version, in the end.
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RE: AeroMexico's Future Plans

Sun Jan 18, 2004 5:10 pm

You are right, José. I just looked the original source of info. So, no 764 for AM.

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RE: AeroMexico's Future Plans

Mon Jan 19, 2004 12:02 am


Mexicana will start serving MXP in June of this year. Just for your

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RE: AeroMexico's Future Plans

Mon Jan 19, 2004 7:22 am

Kenya Airways, I believe, is the African carrier who got the 764.

KQ, AT, and ET were the African airlines interested in the 764

The instead went for the 772ER, 763ER, and 763ER, respectively
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