mckennasmall
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318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:16 am

Does any airline use any Airbus 318, 319, 320, 321 do any trans-pacific or trans-atlantic flights.
 
UTA_flyinghigh
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:19 am

PrivatAir (Switzerland) flies an A319CJ across the pond on behalf of LH, and AF is looking to do the same. The Volkswagen and DaimlerChrysler ACJ's regularly cross the Atlantic.

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UTA
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gaut
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:30 am

When I worked at BRU I've often seen an A320 (or 321) flying for Procter & Gamble to CVG.

I don't know the operator, maybe somebody could add some precision.

Gaut
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EZYAirbus
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:36 am

Can do it all the time on FS2004 with unlimited fuel! :P

sorry hehe

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mckennasmall
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:38 am

How can you get airbus on flightsim2002
 
ramme
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RE: What Features Would You Like At Airports?

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:45 am

Mckennasmall: this is completely off-topic, but go to avsim.com. You can find anything you want.
 
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:47 am

>>When I worked at BRU I've often seen an A320 (or 321) flying for Procter & Gamble to CVG.

I don't know the operator, maybe somebody could add some precision.

Gaut


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airsicknessbag
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:42 am

DaimlerChrysler Aviation also used to stop at KEF on their STR-DET runs. They stopped that when changing from standard 320s to 319CJs.

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Esajh
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:47 am

I doubt if anyone is flying it in an airliner configuration. We do a lot of the WATRS flying with our EOWs (319, 320 & 321s) but that is about it. PHL-TBPB or BOS-TJSJ, KPHL-TNCA are about the longest “over-water” routes we have. They block 5+ hours. The longest I have flown (in the baby buses) was PHL-SEA in a 321. That is about it for the 321 (block 6+18), but the 319 can go on a bit more.

It would be really stretching a loaded 321 to do a Cork to Gander hop, but anything more on the NATS (especially westbound in the winter) would make me feel uncomfortable to the point I would not fly it. Not much better with a 320 and only slightly better with a 319 EOW!
 
maiznblu_757
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:01 am

Airshicknessbag,

Since when does the A319 fly to DET? I have never seen it fly to DET, only to PTK... Please advise.
 
mckennasmall
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:16 am

so from what I am getting there are no airlines that operate any 318,319,320,321 over any ocean.
 
airsicknessbag
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:19 am

Maiznblu_757, you´re right, I´m sorry. Mix-up on my part.
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azmd80
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:20 am

I think that none airline use A320 over ocean in revenue flight.

The only airline that use them on really transcontinental flight is British Mediterranen, on BA colours, that flight a fllet of A320 and 321 from LHR to many asian destinantion non served by BA directly with Wide bodies.
Everyway there aren't ETOPS operation.
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captaingomes
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:25 am

Well, Skyservice was ready to go with their A319 across the Atlantic. I believe the routes they were looking at were YHZ to LGW and also YHZ to AGP. Maybe somebody can clear that up for me.

Also, I was told this from a Westjet pilot ... Westjet may consider flying YYC to LHR sometime in the future. Apparantly, the 73G with winglets can just do it profitably. Would be interesting to see a 737 fly from near the west coast of Canada to the west coast of Europe!!!

Regarding A320's for FS2002, you should really try the PSS A320 for sale. It's a nice program.
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drerx7
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:32 am

I don't think those aircraft are ETOPS.
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UnitedFirst
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:15 am

so from what I am getting there are no airlines that operate any 318,319,320,321 over any ocean.

As UTA_flyingHIGH pointed out, PrivatAir is operating A319CJs in a full-Business Class configuration on behalf of Lufthansa, to destinations such as Chicago and New York.

And as pointed out, Procter & Gamble has A320s crossing to Atlantic due to heavy traffic between its North American base (Cincinnati) and its European base (Brussels). This service started when Sabena ended its Cincinnati-Brussels service a few years back.

-Derek
 
MaverickM11
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:24 am

The answer is basically, no. Other than the Privatair and biz jet crossings over the North Atlantic, no one has bothered to start the ETOPS (for any significant allowance over water other than the North Atlantic) process for the 320 family. Aloha, by comparison, has been-there done-that with their 737-700s and even their 200s.
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lanalemania
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:24 pm

I have a printed timetable of Air Malta (26th Mrach to 28th October 2000), which shows a flight from Malta to New York via Shannon. As I know, they had only Boeing 737s and A320s in their fleet in these days, and probably did this transatlantic flight with an A320.
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UTA_flyinghigh
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:31 pm

Hmmm. That Air Malta thingy seems more like codeshare flight 2 me.
UTA
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lanalemania
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:41 pm

UTA_FLYinghigh,

I also wondered when I first saw that route, but there isn't any codeshare mentioned. Maybe they leased some other equipment for that route - there is no more information than the flight itself.
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707CMF
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:49 pm

Stopping in Shannon could well be to change equipment for a codeshare with EI, then again, Shannon being the westernest European airport (excl. Iceland), it could be the mandatory refuel stop before crossing the pond.

just my 3c

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airsicknessbag
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RE: 318, 319, 320, 321 Any To Ocean Crossings

Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:57 pm


I´ll check my old OAGs for that. Might take two weeks, because they´re stored at my other place. If that question hasn´t been clarified by then, that is.

Daniel Smile

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