mckennasmall
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Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:46 am

What do you think is the best airline comeback story. I think of SWISS.
 
UTA_flyinghigh
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:49 am

Whoa, whoa, whoa. LX are not out of the woods yet...
On the contrary, SNBA, formerly Sabena, are now profitable and expanding.
AF was almost dead in the 90's and now part the big 4 in Europe, but that used taxpayers' money, so it doesn't count.
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NWAFA
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:54 am

I think its either CO or HP. They both have come so far.
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EIDW
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:55 am

Aer Lingus' short journey from almost bankrupt to profit and discussions on fleet replacement in 1 year is fairly impressive IMHO.

EIDW.
 
fraT
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:56 am

Swiss must be meant as a joke.
I'm not sure if they will survive 2004 and don't see any other points in which they did a turnaround.

I would also go with CO and HP.
 
mckennasmall
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:01 am

The SWISS thing was a joke, but for real CO
 
united4ever
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:08 am

Continental, without a doubt.

Would love to see United join them.

Mike
 
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:10 am

United4Ever (Mike)

Im holding my breath for UAL..they are still not out of the woods yet.
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:11 am

GULF AIR

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UTA_flyinghigh
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:13 am

Let's not forget KE, awful brand image after the Sakhalin crash, changed their name, logo and livery and went one to become the airline it is today  Big thumbs up
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:18 am

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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:19 am

ValuJet: In 1996 grounded by the Feds, horrible reputation, ancient fleet and almost out of cash. Now AirTran is one of the most profitable airlines in the country (300% increase in stock price in 2003), a very high ratio of repeat customers, the youngest all-Boeing fleet in the world and planned 25% per year growth for the next few years.
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:19 am

Ryanair - from the brink for bankruptcy to worlds most profitable carrier!
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:29 am

MEA:

Then - they had to fly to a foreign country just to get fuel. Only flew 707s cos they couldn't get insurance. Their home country a burned-out shell.

Now - brand new Airbus fleet, profitable, a byword for good service, food and comfort. Their home country a stylish and revitalised regional oasis.
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:30 am

ME, yes
GF? their position is still precarious. Abu Dhabi and Oman would be wise to cut their losses and run.
 
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:31 am

I would have to go with HP.
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:34 am

I would have to say CO
 
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:38 am

I'm not convinced that Continental's "Worst to First" story isn't a round trip. I flew almost 80000 miles on them in 2001, dropped steadily to only 2 flights in all of 2003. I noticed a change in attitude after 9/11. If you are not a full Y fare flyer, Gordon's no longer interested in your business. But their initial turnaround was truly amazing...
 
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:48 am

I'd say Frontier, after all, they came back from the dead, and now look at them! Big grin Okay, okay, so its a completely different airline. . .how about Braniff? No, no, no. . .they're dead. . . again. . .let's see. . .I don't know. . .they all look so good. . .guess I'll take Continental.

But, if United can turn itself around, my answer might be different in a few years.
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Azmi
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:54 am

MEA definitely.
If you folks only knew what it had to go through in the past 20 yrs.
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ScottishLaddie
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:29 am

Ryanair.

I'm not a fan, but an amazing tunaround none the less!
 
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:36 am

I would vote for Continental. True, the AirTran/ValuJet comeback was amazing, but they had to change their name to avoid the massive negative connotations. To me, this isn't a "comeback" per se.

Congrats to all at Continental, especially Gordon Bethune. This man knows how to run an airline.
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PiedmontGirl
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:46 am

I would choose Continental hands down.

Gordon Bethune took an airline that was the equivalent of a condemned house and turned in into a lovely, respectable, well run, well cared for home. The man does know how to run an airline and my hat is off to him.
 
cadet93
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:54 am

I have to say CO also....But I have noticed the trend to not want to deal with the flyer who shops around and get a cheap fare.......They even added 5 new fare classes to make it more difficult to get elite miles.....If you buy online this year they all count, who knows what next year will bring. 3 of the fare classes are in the lowest category.....So there are a few more cheap fares to see...But if you book them thru a travel agent, they don't all count to elite miles, only half.....How is that for pushing out the agent even further. Already they don't pay them SQUAT... And now the tickets are not worth as much mileage wise...I think it SUCKS personally....But as airline I still hold my cards up to CO.......
 
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:13 am

I would have to say Continental: from Worst to First. Well done.
 
BeltwayBandit
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:44 am

AirTran (ex VJ).

I don't consider any post-bankruptcy recovery to be a laudable comeback. To me, a comeback is achieved when a company meets all its obligations, restructures and turns around into a roaring success. AirTran has taken the remains of ValuJet and turned it into a great airline. After a bankruptcy the emerging airline is really a different entity (both legally and practically) and you can't give much credit to the people as much as the bankruptcy code.

My second vote goes to any airline that can succeed, without a government bail-out, after 9/11/01.
 
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:51 am

SAA for sure untill they started hedging.

from $200 million loss in one year to $70 million profit the next.

then they started heding for 2003 and lost $800 million
 
TAP1972
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:10 am

I would say TAP Air Portugal

It is going to make a profit in 2003 after several years making continuous losses. Investing in profitable routes according to its market, like Brazil and Africa, and increasing the nr of flights to the main European capitals.

It was a good turnaround after what Swissair did regarding the Qualiflyer Group and its associates: Sabena - Closed, TAP almost had to close but managed to turnaround.

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L1011Lover
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:23 am

LUFTHANSA after WWII!!!

They restarted service with only a handful aircraft and only in 1955 while all the other European and American carriers where already operating "huge" fleets and flying widespraed route!
And look to where we´ve come to until now!

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MarcoPolo747
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:51 am


My vote goes to MEA.

It is interesting to follow the developments at GF, their Aussie boss knows what he is doing.

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zizou
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:14 am

What abour SriLankan? After losing almost half its fleet in 2001, it aint doing so bad now!  Smile
 
Thrust
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RE: Best Airline Comeback

Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:30 am

Definently Continental. They were left nearly dead when Lorenzo was booted out, and they went on to become even better than they were before. Besides being a domestic airline, they became highly-international as well as a mega-carrier. Before Lorenzo, I don't believe CO was really considered a mega-carrier. Even more remarkable is how quickly they rebounded. It took less than a decade to recover from the damage. Northwest, too, back in the late 1940s, made a remarkable recovery when one of their Martin 202s suffered a fatal accident. This crash nearly bankrupted Northwest. Northwest recovered nearly instantly though, within a matter of years. It is so successful today because of KLM, though. The last airline I would like to credit with making one of the best airline comebacks is TWA. TWA has proved to have the greatest survivability rate of any airline until the end. TWA survived Carl Icahn, Howard Hughes (especially Hughes, since they became an even bigger carrier after he left), and TWA also survived the 1970s crisis. Everyone was assuming the airline was going to fall for at least 22 years. But the airline always surprised us until 2001. However, I think that Bob Crandall's departure from TWA was when the glory days of the airline were over. The man that made American into the huge airline it is today would probably cause TWA to play American's role in the world today, and American may have been absorbed by TWA.
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