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AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:43 am

Are the AA Fokker 100s all gone now? I could have sworn between January 1st and January 4th that multiple registrations of AA F-100s were still flying around. A photographer mentioned that on January 5, 2004, the AA F-100s would be gone. Were they really retired this week? I have heard no other photographers mentioned.
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:50 am

no... they are just no longer at DFW... all are up at Chicago now... will all be gone by Sept, I believe at the rate of 4 per month.
 
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:06 am

Yes, the majority of the F100 fleet are now parked. As Flygirlheis stated, the last one is to be retired by the end of the 3rd quarter (Sept 30th). As the F100s are being retired at the rate of 4 per month, 2 MD-80s are taking their place...the ones from TWA from temporary storage. The MD-80s are being converted to AA standards as they're being reactivated. Regards.
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:08 am

We still get quite a few of AA F100's in YUL everyday! I think they are used for ORD-YUL-ORD flights!
 
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:35 am

There are 30 F-100 flying the schedule today...
 
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:36 am

I saw a Fokker at DFW on Monday.
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:42 am

Does anyone know when they are going to replace F100 flying between EWR and ORD? Will the M80 be the replacement?

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:45 am

Here at MDW AA used to operate F100's on MDW-DFW and MDW-LGA. I believe, January 8th, is when they will be replaced w/ S80's.
 
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:29 am

The Fokker 100s are still a staple for American Airlines at MSP. They operate sill operate all the flights on the AA MSP-ORD runs (11 round-trips on a weekday). Just this week AA got rid of its last F100 flying the MSP-DFW flights and introduced two daily flights operated by American Eagle CRJ700s.

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:37 am

Hmm, when I go to NYC this summer from MSP I'm going to have to hop on the AA F-100 to ORD for the last time! If that doesn't work out, I'll definitely have to take a daytrip on the F-100!

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:38 am

Like was mentioned above, they definately aren't gone. In fact I believe mose PHL-ORD flights are operated by the F.100.

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:50 am

I always thought that the final retirement was due end of 2005 but according to what I've been reading on various posts it looks like the retirement of the Fokker 100 aircraft at American has been moved to end of 2004 already. They no longer fly out of DFW, and like Chi-town says they are being pulled out of Chicago Midway. Chicago O'Hare is where all remaining Fokkers will be based till they are retired. It's obvious that the final flight will arrive in Chicago O'Hare.

COEWRNJ, yes I know most of EWR-ORD flights are Fokker 100's with maybe one or two Super 80's. I don't know when they will stop flying EWR-ORD on the Fokker but now we know one more year at the most. I'm not sure the Super 80 will be the replacement on all those flights because American has no less than 18 daily flights LGA-ORD-LGA which are all Super 80's, so I think most of EWR-ORD-EWR flights will be operated by American Eagle jets, either Embraer or Canadairs, EWR-ORD-EWR doesn't need as much capacity as LGA-ORD-LGA has eventhough New York is a big city. Between New York City and Chicago what matters is frequency, not capacity.

ALB-ORD which used to see the Fokker 100 is now operated by American Eagle jets only, by next year DTW-ORD and BNA-ORD will probably be flown by American Eagle only, STL-ORD may still see the Super 80 (ex-TWA aircraft, I wouldn't be surprised) because STL is a hub (former TWA hub like you know) altough diminishing in size, MSP-ORD will see mostly Eagle jets with maybe one or two Super 80's...just to name a few flights which are currently flown on the Fokker 100 aircraft.

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:42 am

I'v always thought that the F-100 was a sharp little aircraft, and nice to fly, it will be sad to see them go.
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:57 am

I saw about 8 parked at Mojave today.

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:40 pm

I'm interested in knowing what is going to happen to the flight crews? I heard from someone working there that the captains will be moved and trained on other planes in the fleet and the F/Os are all getting their walking papers, but that of course is just rumor. I wouldn't be surprised to see almost all the F100 routes being replaced by CR7 or CR9s.
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:03 pm

Thats bad news. I would have liked to see one up here at YYC, because all we have is S80's. How much would one of these planes go for in todays current market?
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:05 pm

"Here at MDW AA used to operate F100's on MDW-DFW and MDW-LGA. I believe, January 8th, is when they will be replaced w/ S80's."- Chi-Town

I think that may be true. I was out at MDW today and had a AA MD-80 depart right over my head. I was kind of surprised to see that. I'm just so used to seeing the Fokkers. In fact I was so surprised that I spent so much time staring at it rocket into the air that I didn't notice that the light had turned red and I almost rear ended the guy in front of me. Thankfully I didn't. I don't think that would have gone over too well with a cop. "Well...Gee officer, I was watching the airplane fly away"  Big thumbs up
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:46 pm

The best Way to see AA F100 is to fly to German were many are flying with Germania title.

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:39 pm

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:48 pm

I saw 3 Fokkers-100's at DFW on my way into work today and saw 2 yesterday so they still serve DFW.
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:44 am

Thank goodness! It's good to know that we will still have 9 months to enjoy the AA Fokker 100s. They truly look gorgeous in AA's colors (What aircraft doesn't?) It distinguishes AA from other airlines, as AA is the only megacarrier in America that operates Fokker 100s. They are true beauties compared to the DC-9s. Such a shame to see them go after only 10 years. I've already had to bear one loss this year...the graceful Delta MD-11. Long live the AA Fokkers!.....'til September. Thanks guys. I owe you.

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:51 am


by next year DTW-ORD and BNA-ORD will probably be flown by American Eagle only,

Actually, I believe that DTW-ORD will be a mix of AE and AA S80/738- just going off the information provided by management. While DTW-ORD is a short route and a likely candidate for "all" AE service, the combination of cargo/baggage and passenger loads itself will keep mainline equipment on this route.
 
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:21 am

Has anyone thought that maybe using the F100's on the California Routes (SJC-LAX, SNA, SAN etc) instead of the RJ's.
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:22 am

I thought I read on this forum that parts are becoming an issue, now that Fokker is no longer in business.
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:38 am

from the Fokkersite:

Fokker Services launches Future100


Hoogerheide - 6 February 2003

Today, during the first worldwide Fokker 100 (prospective) customer conference, Fokker Services launched the FUTURE100 program.

This program is aimed at re-marketing the Fokker 100's which are currently available for lease or sale. In the FUTURE100 program, Fokker Services and Rolls-Royce created a marketing alliance in which they will jointly approach and assist operators in business cases for start-up operators or for fleet expansion of current operators of the Fokker 100 aircraft.

At the same time, key vendors such as ABSC, Honeywell, Rockwell Collins and Messier Dowty announced to become partners in the FUTURE100 program. Lessors have been invited to join as well.

The result of these efforts is that Fokker Services can offer a competitive customised support package based on a fixed fee per flight hour. The competitive position of the Fokker 100 in its segment has been strengthened. The partner companies will guarantee service, spare parts and support for Fokker 100's well into the next decade.

"Fokker 100's have proven to be -and still are- reliable, economically very competitive and can easily be included in any fleet", remarked Erik Goedhart, Fokker Services Vice President Marketing & Sales. The alliance with Rolls-Royce and partnership with major vendors such as ABSC, Honeywell, Rockwell Collins and Messier Dowty means that the aircraft, especially brakes, engines and avionics systems, will stay on the cutting edge. "Operators can thus confidently opt for the Fokker 100 aircraft for many more years of sustained competitive operations, backed by some of the world's leading corporations in the aviation industry", he added.

With airline operators looking to rationalize costs, the economic arguments for adding Fokker 100s to a fleet or keeping these in service for a prolonged period are very strong. Erik Goedhart: "Acquisition costs are low and operational costs are very competitive with comparable aircraft. Major Fokker100 lessors are therefor able to offer advantageous leasing programs, turning the Fokker 100 into one of the most competitive aircraft in its market segment."
(For more information, fleet operators can consult www.myfirstfokker.com.)

Fokker Services supplies integrated maintenance and modification services to aircraft operators and owners. Fokker Services is part of the Stork Aerospace Group. The group has 3,335 employees and achieved a turnover of EURO 421 million in 2001, out of the total Stork turnover of EURO 2.2 billion.

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:55 am

Any idea how many ex-TW M80s that have been brought back to service and which ones (eg reg. or fleet number) ? Thanks!

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:24 am

DTW-ORD will never go Eagle. A handful of weekly flights might go RJ as the occasional weekend and midday flights are now an ERJ. The majority of flights will still be MD-80 with an occasional 738, as mentioned above. The morning and evening flights are quite popular. Monday mornings, those flights are always full. Plus, both NW and UA fly this route, and use mainline equipment.
 
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:46 am

They are true beauties compared to the DC-9s.

Thrust, I have to disagree with your perfectly logical opinion. I believe the DC9 is much more beautiful as well as her derivatives, the -80, -90, and -95.

Frankly I am with alot of other people in saying... "I Can't wait to see them go."
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:03 am

Saw an AA F-100 at HPN, scheduled HPN-ORD-RST. This was on January 3, 2004. Apparently the F-100s have been on that exact run for many years now.

I've been missing F-100s since USAirways took them out of service. They used to make the CLE-CLT runs. It was a real treat to see not only one, but two F-100s at HPN... The second was parked away from the gate, in reserve for the next AA flight.


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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:16 pm

I wouldn't be surprised to see almost all the F100 routes being replaced by CR7 or CR9s.

AA doesn't fly the CR9 nor do they have any plans to do so.

Any idea how many ex-TW M80s that have been brought back to service and which ones (eg reg. or fleet number) ?

Many of the ex-TW SP80s were never parked, I believe. They are usually the ones that don't have a registration ending in A, AN, AM, or AA. You used to be able to tell an ex-TW if it didn't have a black nose, but now the black noses are disappearing on some AA SP80s, I think.

[Edited 2004-01-12 04:18:51]
 
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:06 pm

Thanks for your reply Tekelberry although that was not really what I was looking for. I knew that already. I was wondering specifically how many of the stored ones that have been brought back to service, if any. As someone who logs registration numbers, this is of great interest to me. So, yes many of the ex-TW M80s were never parked; I think about 25-30 or so are parked.

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:05 am

As of yesterday, there were 36 F100's active, that is, not at MHV. 22 of the TW 80's are at ROW, 43 have been absorbed into the AA fleet (as M83G's), 34 are still active (of which I look for another 3-4 to be convtd to AA std). When the leases are up on the remaining 82's, they'll be parked. 15 of the TW 75's have been integrated (P&W's notwithstanding), 11 are at MCI and one is in Florida (don't know why).The 14 oldest 762's are parked at ROW.
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:19 am

I think I can give you some of the registrations, The777Man. I will tell you that I know that registrations from N901 to N919TW were retired, so there's 20. I believe all of the MD-82s that were ex-TWA were stored, and until about the only MD-80 aircraft operated by AA that were formerly TWA were MD-83s. Those are the only aircraft I know for sure (N901TW-N919TW. You are probably correct in the regard of there being more than these ex-TWA MD-82s in storage. Sadly, I can't tell which registrations have been re-activated and which haven't. I hope this helps.

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:09 am

Several of the TW 757's had leases that expired in late 2003/early 2004....
 
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:11 am

Thanks for your reply Tekelberry although that was not really what I was looking for. I knew that already. I was wondering specifically how many of the stored ones that have been brought back to service, if any. As someone who logs registration numbers, this is of great interest to me. So, yes many of the ex-TW M80s were never parked; I think about 25-30 or so are parked.

Sorry about that; I misunderstood your post.
 
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:04 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE, I was well aware that several of the TWA 757s's leases have already expired or are about to expire. It's very interesting. I have not seen one single 2004 photo of an ex-TWA 757 in this database, in jetphotos.net, or on planepictures.net. In fact, the most recent one was taken on December 16, 2003. Hopefully many of them are still out there, and will be for at least a few more years. AA is my favorite airline because TWA lives on through them.
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:08 pm

Also, Tekelberry, one thing to point out. Ex-TWA MD-80s are becoming harder to recognize in many regards. If you talk about just MD-82s, I don't know if they apply to this, but I do know that most of the ex-TWA MD-80s in service wear the titles "Super 80" under the nose, as well as the black nose dot now. Personally, I like the black dots on the AA MD-80s. It makes them look more luxurious and like the traditional AA aircraft, such as the DC-10 and the Boeing 727 (black paint between the cockpit and the nose-cone).
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:34 pm

Tekelberry: Thanks for your efforts; at least you replied ! No problems!

Thrust: Thanks for the info: So really no idea then if any ex-M80s have been re-activated ? Still need some of the MD-83s and the current JP (info from April 2003) shows several M83s stored as well. So maybe AA will bring back the ex-TW M82s now that the F100s are going ?

Also interesting to hear that the ex-TW M80s now has "Super 80" under the nose, haven't noticed that yet. I have noticed in the last month or so that the TWA sticker on nose gear door has disappeared and sp has the TW fleet number. They do have their AA fleet number and so far, I haven't noticed a ex-TW M80 with Super 80 titles. That was the only difference left since I have seen some "real" AA M80s with the silver nose. Thanks for the info !

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:36 am

Some MD-83s in storage as well...interesting. That is something quite honestly I didn't know about. I thought I heard that the MD-82s, now that I think back, might be reactivated sometime in April. I can assure you this much, The777Man. If the stored TWA MD-80s haven't already been reactivated, they will be very soon. Yes, in fact, I'm almost sure it's April when they return. If I'm wrong, like I said, they are either in service now or re-enter service after April. Hope this made it a little better.

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:50 am

"Has anyone thought that maybe using the F100's on the California Routes (SJC-LAX, SNA, SAN etc)...

This idea had been floated at one time during the early 90s, when AA realized that Super 80s were, perhaps, a bit large for it's west coast network. This was prior to the downsizing of the AA/OC SJC hub.
Interestingly, the idea of using smaller gauge mainline aircraft on the west coast resurfaced after the purchase of TW. The latters plan would have involved the 717s.

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:51 pm

Also interesting to hear that the ex-TW M80s now has "Super 80" under the nose, haven't noticed that yet. I have noticed in the last month or so that the TWA sticker on nose gear door has disappeared and sp has the TW fleet number. They do have their AA fleet number and so far, I haven't noticed a ex-TW M80 with Super 80 titles. That was the only difference left since I have seen some "real" AA M80s with the silver nose. Thanks for the info !

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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:08 pm

Will all of the planes be replaced by the md80??? And how old are their F100 and Md80s anyway?
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RE: AA Fokker 100s

Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:10 am

Yes, Greaser, I'm certain the MD-80s are going to replace the F-100s. The F-100 is actually over 10 years younger than the MD-80s. Most of AA's Fokker 100s have seen just over or almost 10 years of service with AA. The MD-80 is 20 years old. The MD-80s I think will replace the F-100s: how long they will is another question. Personally, if I were American, I would have ordered the MD-90 instead of the MD-80 when McDonnell Douglas was still around. Their engines are more powerful, quiet, and fuel-efficient.
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