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"Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:55 am

Singapore Airlines Limited - a Member of Star Alliance - for the moment, and Deutsche Lufthansa A.G., (the latter) has announced the end of codesharing between FRA and NYC of LH flights.

"Frankfurt remains our continental hub in Europe and we shall continue to code-share on Lufthansa services out of Frankfurt to a number of points in Europe," said a spokesman for Singapore Airlines Limited.

German business weekly "WirtschaftsWoche" said there were "growing tensions" in Star Alliance.

More at the Straits Times website

Well this is very interesting. One should note that (previously it seems) ties between the two Members of Star Alliance have been very strong and Lufthansa has announced the startup of flights to the capital city of Malaysia.
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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:05 am

First MX completely terminates its code sharing relationship with UA (and exits Star Alliance as a result), and now Singapore and LH put an end to their FRA-JFK agreement. I wonder if more airlines will be leaving Star Alliance soon.
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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:38 am

As I said elsewhere...

Global alliances are breaking apart under their own weight.
The price of globalization is too high.

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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:32 pm

HI,
Well it was just a matter of time before these type of things start to happen!
STAR ALLIANCE=TIME BOMB.

First MX is kicked out! now SIA is opening its way out and jumping onboard the Best Alliance SKYTEAM! (My humble opinion!)

Bye.
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fly727
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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:35 pm

The note did not say Singapore would be ending its partnership in *A nor that it would be joining SkyTeam.

The price of globalization is too high
Maybe the world is not ready yet for the gigantic cultural and financial differences that the airline alliances demand.

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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:09 pm

You are all overreacting, beginning or ending a codeshare is NOT the same as going or leaving an alliance. 2 or 3 years ago SAS and Thai ended their codeshare CPH-BKK without speculations about if one of the airlines would leave STAR of that reason. It was even "worser" because SAS and Thai have historical very tight relations. Eg. SAS was one of the founder of Thai.
 
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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:00 pm

The more likely scenario - it's the start of SQ's consolidation of it's Euro-USA routes as the A340-500 nonstops to/from SIN to NYC start to come online in a couple of months.

When these start, does anyone really expect SQ to keep it's FRA to NYC route? AMS-EWR still makes sense, but not FRA-NYC.

Codes come and go constantly - it's a nothing situation as far as I can see and barely worth a raised eyebrow let alone anything else.
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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:24 pm

'We of course want to continue our good cooperation with Singapore Airlines,' Ms Kraft of Lufthansa said.

The agreement's termination emerged from 'growing tensions' in the Star Alliance, the world's biggest airline grouping, German newspaper WirtschaftsWoche reported earlier, citing unidentified executives. Thai Airways International, another Star member, had wanted a similar accord with Lufthansa, which the German carrier resisted, the magazine said.

Business Times

[Edited 2004-01-09 09:28:38]
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Udo
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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:13 pm

Not good news for Star. There have always been rumours that there are tensions between Thai and SIA. Both airlines haven't had any code share agreements yet, though there would be many opportunities. Thai serves several destinations in Asia/Middle East which SIA doesn't, SIA serves several Australian/Oceanian markets which Thai doesn't. However, no code sharing.

SIA has also been the only airline in Star without aircraft painted in Star colors (besides ANZ)...seems to be a small detail...but it might show their critical attitude towards the alliance.
But where should they go? oneworld with strong direct competitors such as Cathay and Qantas?
SkyTeam would give them an exclusive status in South East Asia, so it is an option.

I hope they remain in Star!


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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:45 pm

When these start, does anyone really expect SQ to keep it's FRA to NYC route? AMS-EWR still makes sense, but not FRA-NYC.

They are in fact, sending the A345s to Newark and are dropping the SIN-AMS-EWR flight after August swings by.
 
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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:52 pm

Perhaps the reason SQ n LH have ended codeshare on LH's JFK flights is that SQ doesnt feed any traffic to LH flights to JFK? If anything SQ is one which prefers to either operate its own equipment everywhere or have other partners code share on its flights.
 
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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:01 pm

The problem with Star is way to many members that overlap such as SQ and TG for example.

Oneworld is so much better with selecting new members and avoiding overlapping networks. Oneworld only has 2 airlines in the asia pacific region compared to stars 6.

No wonder they are unhappy!
 
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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:54 pm

Keep cool! Star is not breaking apart because of this. There are probably reasons for ending this codeshare agreement.

Anyway SQ and LH still codeshare on FRA-SIN flights and SQ can still feed its JFK flight with LH flights from other european cities, where SQ codeshares on (eg TXL-FRA).

As someone said before codeshares come and go... that's normal business!

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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:07 pm


no wonder.....what next ?
 
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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:15 pm

Does the fact that since last year UA and LH share revenue on all trans-atlantic flights operated by the two carriers, have anything to do with this?
 
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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:22 pm

It's probably more adventageous for SQ to use UA to the west coast, and connect to their new non-stops to SIN. Anyone care to look up the travel time and see if it's shorter?
 
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RE: "Tension" In Star Alliance? LH, SIA Stop NYC C/S

Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:33 pm

gentlemen,

no need to rush into speculation. on the one hand, this could be a natural and sound development of their relationship, on the other hand this could certainly be some way of trying to put pressure on the other partner. both parties are businesses and foremost, acting in their own interest. but this does not necessarily mean that SQ is any way unhappy with Star.

some weeks ago, LH put pressure on AC to resume debt payments (that were suspended under bankruptcy protection) and announced they might eventually terminate the partnership with AC. needless to say that LH had no real interest in severing ties with AC, but still they needed to put pressure on AC (LH needed to protect the interests of its shareholders).

so just in case this might really be a way of SQ to "complain" (if it was them to terminate this part of the c/s), perhaps it is because LH gave a lot of valuable slots to AI so that they can operate lots of flights to the USA from FRA. LH has never made any moves to give comparable concessions to SQ (yes, i know that they always wanted to route most US services via LHR).
nonetheless, when SQ opened up ORD, they opted for AMS as stopover point instead of MUC because of some concerns that LH aired. so now that LH gives away "gifts" to AI, SQ might be angry about that. just my thoughts...

rgds
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