applepie81
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Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:55 am

Hi there, i have recently installed Flight Simulator 2002 on my computer and i am downloading some aircraft types. There is a delicious looking 737 series (designer name to be withheld) that i have downloaded and although it looks great, it seems to take off like a rocket. I like my simulator to be realistic and i am in two minds whether or not to keep the thing or not. Can the 737-500 really take off with ease with a full fuel load and healthy amount of passengers on a 4,000ft strip?
Somebody please tell me, i thought these birds needed a good 6,500ft strip if full.
 
EGGD
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:00 am

No,

NEVER take flight dynamics on Flight Simulator seriously.
 
ifly2eat
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:03 am

The -300, -500 and especially the -400 are dogs!
Fly the friendly skys and stay out of mine.
 
rockyracoon
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:04 am

The real rocket that's currently flyign around is the 757-200. They get off the runways fast as hell. I've seen them take less runway up than CRJ's @ CVG plenty of times.

peace
 
ece441
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:04 am

Applepie--where were you able to download new planes for Flight Simulator 2002?
 
Ryanair737
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:11 am

Ece441,

You can download aircraft for FS2002 at http://www.avsim.com.

Ryanair737
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KGAI
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:13 am

Applepie81,

One thing you might not have considered is that required field length in the real world includes runway needed for takeoff, AND runway needed for braking in case of emergency.
 
Shamrock_747
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:16 am

On a 737-300 takeoff from LGW I felt more acceleration than Concorde - when full thrust is used they can certainly get going very quickly, but nearly all takeoffs use de-rated thrust settings.
 
applepie81
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:19 am

For all you Orange county fans,
I remember taking off in a 737-300 with about 40 pax on board. We had the engines run at half power to the brakes for a few seconds then full throttle and I swear that was the steepest climbout i've ever had in my life, we were up to 35,000ft in no time at all. Who needs a 737-700 when you've got a 300.
 
InnocuousFox
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:24 am

"NEVER take flight dynamics on Flight Simulator seriously."

It's funny that you don't know what you are talking about.
Dave Mark - Intrinsic Algorithm - Reducing the world to mathematical equations!
 
Thrust
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:26 am

The 747 is definently not a rocket. The last time I saw a 747 take off was at JFK when I was on board an AA MD-80 waiting in line to depart for STL. I had arrived from LHR on an AA Boeing 777 not two hours before. Sadly, the JFK-STL route for has now been cut by AA. Anyway, back to my story. A British Airways Boeing 747-400 departed from JFK probably for LHR. The aircraft used up a lot of run away, and when it did take off, it was a slow gentle lift-off. It took the aircraft a few seconds to adjust the steepness of its climb.
Fly one thing; Fly it well
 
JBirdAV8r
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:31 am

Flight dynamics on Flight Simulator are hardly ever "to-the-point" accurate, regardless of what InnocuousFox might tell you. I'm sorry to burst his bubble, but it's true.

No matter how much work you put into the flight dynamics, they will always be off somehow. That's part of it. Bottom line, it's still a game. While lots of things are accurate, I think you might find X-Plane (by Austin Meyer) a better flight dynamics platform.

The 733's you've downloaded, trust me...I know which designer...flies wildly innaccurately. If you look hard and tinker long enough, you can calm it down...but it takes a lot of hard work. It's a shame, too; their visual models are great.
I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
 
D-aqui
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:37 am

@Applepie81

You ought to check out the Boeing-website for the real performance figures. As far as I can recall the minimum for the t/o roll for a 737-500 would be at least something between 3000 and 4000 feet under ISA at a low t/o-weight.

D-AQUI
 
InnocuousFox
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:41 am

"The 733's you've downloaded, trust me...I know which designer...flies wildly innaccurately. "

That much I can believe... but that's not the responsibility of the physics system or the flight dynamics ing... it's all parametric.
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flyboy80
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:53 am

first of all... about the 744, the size often confuses people to make it look like its going slow... when that isn't the case what so ever.

And as far as seeing a 757 use less runway than a CRJ... Happens all the time. The CR1/2 DO NOT have LED (Leading Edge Devices) to help generate more lift, so they actually tend to really "Run the runway" if you will.
 
JBirdAV8r
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:43 am

InnocuousFox,

That much I can believe... but that's not the responsibility of the physics system or the flight dynamics ing... it's all parametric.

To a certain extent I do agree with you on that. I'd say that the problems are 90% parametric...but FS still has a long way to go before becoming THE definitive Flight Simulator.
I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
 
POSITIVE RATE
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:24 am

first of all... about the 744, the size often confuses people to make it look like its going slow... when that isn't the case what so ever.

That's right. When you see a 747 rotate you forget that it's actually doing around 260km/hr only it looks a lot slower due to its enormous size.

 
MD-90
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RE: Is The 737-300/400/500 Really A Rocket?

Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:57 am

Not to mention that a 747 on a long international flight is carrying a LOT of fuel.