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Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:44 am

Interesting proposed routings 1 stop DCA - JNU and DCA - FAI. The Seattle and Los Angeles markets should do quite well!
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Alaska Airlines Applies For Four More Daily Roundtrips To D.C.'s Reagan National

1/9/2004 3:25 p.m.
SEATTLE -- Alaska Airlines today applied for additional slots at Washington, D.C.'s Reagan National Airport, with the aim of adding two more daily nonstop roundtrips between Seattle and the nation's capital, and inaugurating service between Los Angeles and Reagan with two daily nonstop roundtrips.

Congress recently authorized creation at Reagan National of more "beyond-the-perimeter" slots -- slots reserved for flights serving cities that are more than 1,250 miles away from the nation's capital.

DOT will evaluate the proposals and review comments over the next two months and then award the slots in the spring. To register support for Alaska's application, contact DOT via the Web at http://dmses.dot.gov/submit and submit an online letter. The docket number needed to complete an entry is OST-2000-7181.

In 2001, Alaska secured a pair of these rare slots at DCA and used them to launch daily nonstop service to Seattle with same-plane, one stop service to Anchorage. Customer response was, and remains, overwhelmingly positive, and effectively launched Alaska's subsequent entries into other East Coast destinations -- Boston, New York/Newark, Miami, Orlando, and Dulles International in Northern Virginia.

"While competition for the new slots will be fierce, we think we're well positioned," said Alaska CEO Bill Ayer. "We know that the states of Alaska and California, and the West Coast generally, need and will support more service. Also, one of the considerations for awarding the slots is that the airline operates fewer than 10 roundtrips a day out of Reagan. We have just one right now."

Of the two new Seattle flights Alaska is proposing, one would be routed to provide same-plane, one-stop service to Fairbanks, and the other, on a seasonal basis, to Juneau. In addition, both new flights would be timed to offer connections to customers living in communities served by fellow Alaska Air Group company Horizon Air.

The proposed route from Los Angeles would provide the only nonstop service from California – and, specifically, the West Coast's largest city - to Washington, D.C.

Alaska plans to operate Boeing 737-700 aircraft on each of the proposed flights, and may add 737-900s to the mix at LAX over time.

Alaska and Horizon together serve 80 cities in Alaska, the Lower 48, Canada and Mexico. For reservations visit www.alaskaair.com. For more news and information, visit the Alaska Airlines Newsroom at http://newsroom.alaskaair.com.


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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:49 am

Once again Alaska has completely overlooked the business community of Portland by not adding new service here..I sure hope another airline sees the value of the Portland market....
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:49 am

Nice to see someone take over the gap that TW left, on the DCA-LAX route.
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:08 am

Yeah, this is one of TW was applied on their flight from DCA to LAX and didn't not make it either.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:11 am

TW did get it, Scotty. They only stopped flying the route because they went out of business.

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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:12 am

Once again Alaska has completely overlooked the business community of Portland by not adding new service here..I sure hope another airline sees the value of the Portland market....

Since QX offers twice-hourly service PDX-SEA, local PDX customers have numerous options to connect to the existing SEA-DCA and twice daily SEA-IAD service.

Quite frankly, LAX-DCA (and a second SEA-DCA) offers much more upside than PDX-DCA does. Sorry, but it's the truth.
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:24 am

TW did get it, Scotty. They only stopped flying the route because they went out of business.

Exactly, and they flew it quite profitably....not enough to offset the rest of their systemwide losses, though.

When TW went under, their LAX-DCA "beyond-the-perimeter" exemption for DCA went back into the hopper. AS applied for and was granted the DCA exemption, which was used to offer SEA-DCA nonstop service that was inaugurated on September 4, 2001.

Believe it or not, Senator Feinstein actually proposed creating a law that would require any carrier getting that exemption to use it solely for LAX-DCA, as she was appalled at the thought of losing her precious nonstop service.

When DCA was closed to air traffic following the 9/11 attacks, the service was moved to IAD. AS resumed DCA service once DCA was reopened, but not only kept the IAD service but added a second daily flight.
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Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:28 am

EA CO AS

Are you on First Class? If so email me if you have time, Ry Mo will get you to me.....

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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 10:45 am

EA Co AS...If your theory is correct, Why does Alaska has any mainland flights out of Portland at all. Using your theory Horizon could shuttle all passengers from PDX every 1/2 to Seattle and from Seattle we could fly to what ever destinations Alaska flys out of Seattle...
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:23 pm

It's a good application. Alaska needs another Seattle flight (3 would be great) and a 2 flight pattern from LAX is a very nice application too. I think PDX would be a good run, but like EACOAS says, it would pull traffic from Seattle. I don't think Alaska overlooked it. It's just not the best opportunity for a very very limited commodity. If Alaska gets all 4 slot pairs, then hey, the next time the beyond perimeter is expanded, it might be an application for PDX. Good luck Alaska. Now for beyond perimeter for LaGuardia. Let's get on it Congress!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:28 pm

If i take it right, are these the same slots that US is also bidding for to start new service to namely SFO and SJU among others.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:38 pm

AS will go where the business is, if it felt that PDX was better than SEA they would serve that route also they are operating from HUB to cities not 2nd dairy city to secondary city.

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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:42 pm

Frontier4ever...Maybe your not aware but Alaska considers PDX one of its hubs also. However there a strong bias for establishing new routes from Seattle over Portland. Portland could easily handle at least 1 roundtrip flight for each eastern us destinations that Alaska currently serves...
 
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Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:19 pm

Leneld - there is a bias towards Seattle (and a growing bias towards LAX) for the simple reason that that is where the maximum return can be had. Over the years AS has committed a significant amount of resource to PDX, and PDX has been unable to consistently support it, hence the change on many routes to QX service, it better matches the demand.

I don't argue that PDX could support a few flights to the east, but Seattle (and LAX) can support more. Hence the application.

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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:36 pm

While I can see the argument that with a limited number of slots, AS is better suited to having nonstop LAX-DCA than it would be PDX-DCA, I can't help but question the second round of SEA-DCA flights here.

That would give SEA-DCA three (I believe) roundtrips to DCA, and LAX would have two. If LAX-DCA is so itching to be served, when why not have three (or four) LAX-DCA, and one SEA-DCA?

IMHO, AS screwed up here. They have a better chance of getting the slots if they inaugurate new city pairs than they do adding flights to SEA. If they did 2xSEA-DCA, 2xLAX-DCA, 1xPDX-DCA, that's a significant increase in access to DCA from population centers on the west coast (not to mention 4 more congresspeople who will tap the FAA to approve the request).

And, to counteract the demand from SEA argument, the 2x/hour PDX-SEA shuttle works just as well in the other direction, too.

My bet is that we'll see PDX-IAD on AS at some point, but other than giving a 2nd daily flight in that market, it's not that much of an advantage. Alaska screwed this one up.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:02 pm

I wouldn't call this a screw up. We applied for four slots. Two SEA-DCA (for a total of three) and two LAX-DCA.

LAX has a large population base but LAX still lacks the connection abilities of SEA (other Wshington cities, Oregon, Alaska state, Alberta, British Columbia). Thats why we applied for more SEA-DCA. To make up, if the 73Gs fill up 739s will be put on LAX-DCA.

As mentioned above there are an immense amount of conx abilities for PDX folks. And again, the SEA hub comes into play - SEA offers more connection abilities and the ones PDX offers, SEA does too.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:19 pm

PDX may have to wait for a competitor like JetBLue or SouthWest to come in before Alaska feels compelled to start transcons out of PDX.

It would seem PDX would be ripe for service to BOS, JFK and many other east coast cities, non-stop. If Alaska sees that one of these new generation carriers is coming into one of its home bases I don't think they would just sit by.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:39 am

EA Co AS...If your theory is correct, Why does Alaska has any mainland flights out of Portland at all.

Because PDX can support limited service up and down the West Coast. You'll notice that quite a bit of AS mainline service has been supplanted by QX CRJs. There's a reason for that...the PDX market isn't as strong as it once was.

As Duane and others have said, you deploy your equipment where you can get the best return. EA / KSEA), USA - Washington">SEA offers a better return than PDX does, especially to the East Coast.
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:48 am

Portland really is the step-child to SEA as far as AS is concerned.

I would really hope that NW does something more out of PDX now that they have the PDX-AA), Japan">NRT planned. NW started SEA-BOS and look how well that has done. Sure NW pulled out but AA and AS are doing very well in that market.

I find it hard to believe that AS or any other could not support and trans-con service put of PDX. 73G's with 120 seats would be a perfect a/c for some new PDX service.

At one point DL flew PDX-JFK and PDX-BOS with 757's.
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:13 am

I find it hard to believe that AS or any other could not support and trans-con service put of PDX. 73G's with 120 seats would be a perfect a/c for some new PDX service.

But again, this isn't necessarily about saying, "PDX can't support new service." It's about saying, "PDX can support it...but SEA will not only support it, but make more money in the process."

Put another way, if I know a PDX-DCA flight will make X number of dollars, but a second daily SEA-DCA flight will make X plus 20, then I'd be a fool to place the equipment out of PDX.

IMHO, you need to divorce your emotion from this, since it sounds like you're all bent outta shape because you think PDX should have nonstop service to everywhere. I understand your sentiment, but please look at this logically....on a per-flight basis, PDX simply doesn't make as much money for the company as SEA does.

And making money is the name of the game. The boys at Angle Lake aren't running a damn daisy farm.  Big grin
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:16 am

Nice response EA CO AS  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:23 am

If everything you all are saying about Portland is true then why did Alaska start an addition run to Denver? They could have added an addtional run to Seattle and connect passengers from Portland on Horizon since apparently according to this forum there is much more money to be made out of Seattle...
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:55 am

Lenald - again, no one is saying Portland can't support additional service.

In the case of Denver, the folks in yield and scheduling appear to have determined that they can maximize revenue by providing the additional service non-stop out of Portland. This not only captures more PDX passengers, but frees up seats out of Seattle (those folks who were connecting from PDX previously). In the case of the east coast, for whatever reason, the planners feel that allocating the aircraft and manpower to Portland won't provide the same return as it would out of Seattle, which makes perfect sense. Seattle has a larger catchment (all Washington and most Alaska, Oregon, Idaho and Montana stations have N/S to Seattle) than Portland.

Alaska does focus on Seattle, because it's the bigger market (for them). But they have always supported Portland, and the city and citizens have returned the favor. Looking into my crystal ball I predict that eventually they will open service from Portland to the east coast, once they have firmly established themselves on the Seattle to East Coast runs, and are ready to expand service. Exactly the way they did in opening up the west coast, first from Seattle, then from Portland.


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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:07 am

At the risk of starting a war, surely one of the reasons for Alaska adding the additional PDX/DEN was to kick Frontier in the nuts for daring to start DEN/ANC.

Same for Alaska starting DEN/ANC. If the route is going to be so profitable, why didn't Alaska start it before?

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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:11 am

I still think that AS screwed up here. I'm not delusional in thinking PDX could support all of the service that SEA has, but one of the things that the DOT looks at in granting beyond-perimiter rights is the access that it gives to new parts of the country that don't have convenient DCA service now.

Granted, AS may indeed make more money from SEA to DCA with the new flights, but if it comes down to an access issue, AS' argument that more SEA-DCA is a better thing than even a single PDX-DCA run is hard to make.

What's better: some money from a route that's more of a sure bet, or gambling on a more speculative route? In today's aviation economy, the former seems better to me.

AS would have a much bigger congressional push to get FAA approval from PDX, anyway. Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-OR, 4th Dist.) is the ranking Democrat on the House Aviation Subcommittee. DeFazio's district includes places like Eugene, Roseburg, Albany, Corvallis, Coos Bay, North Bend, Grants Pass, etc. Folks in his district, especially the northern part, would probably much prefer direct PDX service than a connection in SEA. Once somebody goes EUG-SEA-DCA, there's little compelling reason to do that rather than EUG-SFO-DCA, or even EUG-LAX-DCA. I'd imagine that if AS had elected to try for PDX-DCA, he'd lean pretty damned hard on the FAA to get that slot approved...

And, for the naysayers, congresspeople do have that sort of lean-power on agencies like the FAA, particularly when they're the senior Democrat on the oversight committee.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:53 am

I still think that AS screwed up here. I'm not delusional in thinking PDX could support all of the service that SEA has, but one of the things that the DOT looks at in granting beyond-perimiter rights is the access that it gives to new parts of the country that don't have convenient DCA service now.

I am not quite understanding what makes you think PDX can have equivalent service as SEA does on every route AS/QX operates. First, SEA still has a larger metro area. Second, AS/QX still has a much larger base in SEA than in PDX.

The only airports that may benefit from PDX-DCA would be OTH and LMT. Simply because they do not have service to SEA. All other Oregon cities that QX serves have service to SEA as well (PDT to be included soon).

It stinks when it looks like service is being cut. But you have to face it if the market isn't working. Here in BOI, QX every so often seems to be cutting flights here and there. At least NW gave you PDX-NRT.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:02 am

Granted, AS may indeed make more money from SEA to DCA with the new flights, but if it comes down to an access issue, AS' argument that more SEA-DCA is a better thing than even a single PDX-DCA run is hard to make.

Flashmeister makes a very valid point, but I think it's worth mentioning that the DOT has a history of letting carriers "up the ante" after their initial filing, if they think it will be to the benefit of the public.

Case in point? When AS originally applied for the SEA-DCA exemption, one of their competitors for the slot authority was DL, proposing daily SLC-DCA service using a B-757-200. AS had a great application for SEA-DCA, but they'd applied for B-737-700 equipment, and the DOT let it be known that they were inclined to go toward DL, since they were going to run a larger aircraft and this would potentially benefit more people overall.

AS quickly redid their application, essentially saying, "No, no...did we say 73G? We meant 739 service!" Once the DOT saw the AS application had been upgauged to a -900, they were given the nod.

Translation? If the DOT would prefer that AS opt for PDX-DCA instead of a second SEA-DCA, I wouldn't be surprised to see the application amended if it means a better shot at getting the authority.
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:31 am

ASBOIRR: I am not quite understanding what makes you think PDX can have equivalent service as EA / KSEA), USA - Washington">SEA does on every route AS/QX operates. First, EA / KSEA), USA - Washington">SEA still has a larger metro area. Second, AS/QX still has a much larger base in EA / KSEA), USA - Washington">SEA than in PDX.

I never said that. Reread my post. In fact, I said that I specifically do not think that PDX can have equivalent service, but that proposing a PDX-DCA run would be more politically advantageous to AS, and political advantage would mean a surer bet for these routes to be granted.

There are competitors to get these slots: Aloha wants SNA-DCA to provide same-plane HNL-DCA service. You can bet that Sen. Inouye, a very powerful Democratic senator who sits on the Senate Subcommittee on Aviation, will press hard for Aloha's bid. That's just one example of a competitor for these exemptions.

By passing up PDX-DCA, AS gives up political pushes from the House and Senate Aviation subcommittees -- after some further research, I found that both senators from Oregon are on the Senate Subcommittee on Aviation. The only WA connections to the subcommittees are Sen. Maria Cantwell and Rep. Rick Larsen, neither of which have much seniority. Granted, Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens is also on the oversight committee, but he's in some hot water, and is geographically tertiary to the whole idea anyway.

EA CO AS is right in that carriers often amend their application, but I still fail to see why AS would want themselves in that situation.

At least NW gave you PDX-NRT.
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:37 am

And, corrections to my previous comments -- it's not the FAA that's deciding this, it's the US Department of Transportation.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:48 am

Frankly, I don't think we will get any more SEA service. And even if we tried PDX-DCA I'm not sure we would get that either. But I won't at all argue that politics play a role in any DCA decision. It seems our main focus is DCA-LAX. Which, in my own opinion, I think we will get.

PDX-IAD, perhaps. It does seem to be requested rather frequently. I can't recall if UA still operates that route though.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:51 am

ASBOIRR...United flies to IAD daily from PDX....
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:52 am

I think in this go around, everyone will get a 2nd flight. That's Alaska to Seattle, Delta to Salt Lake, Frontier to Denver. Beyond that, I think that LAX will get service and San Fran. Aloha's Orange County is interesting because OC is a noise limited airport and I don't know if the 737-700 can make it on an exempt slot (E) or if they have unrestricted slots to use. If they do have the right slot or the 737 can use the E then Aloha will get OC. Having a 3rd flight to your primary city is also great (AS-SEA). So, I don't think the lack of Portland is a mistake. Alaska really loses nothing by not flying Portland. Most of the connect cities from Portland are also served from Seattle. The state of Oregon wins by having Alaska adding flights from Seattle. It may only be a double vs a home run, but none the less it is great for the state of Oregon as well.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:58 am

Has F9 even applied for a second flight? I can't find a press release saying that they have.

Alaska does lose by not applying for PDX-DCA if the DoT looks at the SEA-DCA application and places it in a lower priority because the market already has service. Alaska has zero gain in that scenario. With PDX-DCA, they have _some_ gain.

It's the same argument you use about PDX's benefit of increased SEA-DCA service. It's only a little gain. In fact, it's not even the most direct route -- try F9 via DEN or UA/AA via ORD for that. A connection is a connection... better to make eastward progress during one (and, if flying AA, still collecting AS miles for it).
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:14 am

Flashmeister:

Frontier has applied for two additional daily flights DEN/DCA.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~1882077,00.html

There was some talk that they might apply for one flight LAX/DCA to go with their new base at LAX. However, they don't have enough connections at LAX yet to fulfill DOT's requirements.

There was some concern that F9's new flights to IAD might work against them, but management said those flights "enhance" the DCA application.

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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:17 am

Thanks for the link, Mariner. Interesting indeed. LAX would not be a good choice for F9.

Considering that F9 is the darling of some in the gov't (like the ATSB), I would probably say that they have a good shot at getting their slots.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:25 am

Flashmeister:

I certainly think Frontier has a better than even chance of one extra flight. They have the advantage of being a "limited incumbent" (less than ten flights a day ex-DCA), which doesn't apply to UAL.

I think they're wise to ask for two, and they may get both, but that chews up two of the available six "beyond perimeter" flights that DOT is granting.

Given the political pressure that America West is able to exert (as happened last time) I think you have to consider that they'll get their two appplications granted - although the fact that they got three(?) last time may work against them.

It is said that HP has a "back-up" application. They very much want a LAX/DCA flight, but have not applied for it because of the connection issues,like F9 at LAX.

However, apparently their (HP) lawyers have an alternate application standing by (for LAX/DCA) once DOT has clarified how much of an issue the connections are going to be.

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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:46 am

An interesting discussion!

It doesn't surprise me that the PDX fans feel robbed that PDX-DCA isn't being considered. But...why would it? UA has OWNED that route for a long time now. Oregon's congressional delegation (I believe Sen. Packwood and Hatfield at that time) pushed UA hard to start the service, and only after several years did UA finally start a summer seasonal, with a DC-8 I think it was. It did so well, it actually surpassed PDX-ORD as United's most profitable flight to/from PDX. UA eventually made it a year round flight, and within the past 5 years, UA has added a *2nd* PDX-IAD nonstop for the summer months. One leaves at about 8:30am, the other around 12:30pm. At one point UA used 752's on the route, but I believe the flights are now A319/A320.

I don't have a crystal ball, but if for some reason UA were to reduce/eliminate the PDX-IAD route purely out of necessity, AS would apply for that route at the drop of a hat, becuause it would allow them to further increase their market share at PDX.

But for now, UA has the PDX-Wash. DC market cornered, and the competition knows that fact very well. AS isn't stupid, give them more credit. Given the current state of things, only B6 would probably consider it, but they don't even serve PDX to begin with.

Alaska's doing the right thing...they started serving the east coast in Sept. 2001 by getting the SEA-DCA route, and unexpectedly ended up with authority to IAD, too, given the 9/11 & DCA closure. I would look for them to start service to some more east coast cities, especially PHL given the US situation, and a few more on top of that. Once successful, then they'll look to increase LAX and then PDX.

BOTTOM LINE: simple market economics! If you can make $100 on one route, but $150 on another with the same exact plane, which would you choose? If you chose the latter, proceed on to business school...
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:11 am

I see one more problem that hasn't been addressed.

Alaska leases only one gate at DCA in old Concourse A. Since Spirit and AirTran have moved into Concourse A, there are no more gates available there. So any new AS service would have to be juggled at gate A-6.

I would give Continental a better shot at a DCA-LAX service as they also have the 739, have five gates in B Concourse that are underutilized, and have F/Y products that are at least as good as AS.

Then again, maybe I'm reading Gorden's mind.  Smile

 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:16 am

Has Continental even applied for these routes?

I would think if they did, they'd operate a 752.

But I don't expect them to apply.

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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:18 am

So any new AS service would have to be juggled at gate A-6.

I don't see why that would be a problem. Assuming each application gets the nod, there would be a maximum of 5 AS daily arrivals and departures at DCA (3x DCA-SEA, 2x DCA-LAX). That's not a lot for one gate to handle over the course of a day.

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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:23 am

Gigneil,

A 752 could be done. Continental's gate B-14 is configured to handle a 752. And TW's (defunct) DCA-LAX service was done with 752 equipment.

 
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RE: Alaska Airlines To Try For More DCA

Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:32 am

EA CO AS,

Hmmm. Yes. You're right. One gate could do it. But you don't understand the Washington mentality.

For a good business day, flights must depart between 7 and 9am or 4 to 6pm. And DCA-LAX has always been priced for that elite business clientele, so I would expect services to be bunched around those times.

That's difficult with only one gate. No impossible, but difficult.

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