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Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:20 am

Hello,

If it's true, we will see this year a new FAC 0001!
Colombian government is searching for a new Presidential plane to replace the old B707-300

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This are the 2 candidates;
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I think they will choose for the A319. The B737 never had a strong position in Colombia.
What do you think?

See the article; (spanish)
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:29 am

I was on the 707 a few times back in 1996 when it was in Vancouver. The crew was GREAt very good looking F/A's. I do hope they go for a 737 or like mexico and go for the 757
 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:34 am

I see our friend is following Huga Chavez step and buying a new plane, but Colombia does need a new plane, I dont think any airline still flies the B707. Venezuela changed from a good B737 to and A319 thats just dumb
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:25 pm


Wimpycol,

In fact, the new airplane will be more aimed to replace the current Fokker 28 because it has been the one which has cause the most serious problems. Anyway, if they buy the new plane, they'll directly replace the Fokker and, by the way, the 707 Big grin

I hate to burst your bubble, but I think it was the El Colombiano newspaper and the Semana magazine also, were the ones that clearly stated that the colombian government was more biased towards the 737BBJ because the difference in prices was considerably large. Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see what happens, but what's definitely sure, is that teh national government will buy the option with best prices and forms of payment.


Venezuela747,


No, I don't recall seeing any airline used the 707. But if your stating that in order to justify the change of aircraft, your statement has no sense at all. Alhough there are few or none 707 in comercial, 707s are commonly used for military purposes and between them, it's easy to find the role of Air Force One. For example, if I recall correctly and if come change hasn't been made, Spain is another country that uses 707s in the miliary and as AFO.


Regards,


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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:23 pm

If they want something similar in size to their 707 then they should follow China's footsteps by ordering a VIP Boeing 767-200ER or -300ER.

If you all remember that China VIP B 767 upon delivery to China was found to have numerous BUGS in it put in by the CIA-FBI...hehehe!!!
 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:24 pm

The 767 is way bigger then the 707. The 757 or 737 800 is more the size or the 707
 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:06 pm


Yep, I agree there are more planes that would be feasible for replacing the actual one, but as I say, the new plane is more intended to replace the Fokker 28, which is the one that's been being a complete pain in the ass.

And two options are clear, without possibility of change I think: It's the A319 or the 737. Stop counting.


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Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:35 pm

For me,the best option is clear:A-319 CJ
Why? simple:it's better plane than 737.But I´ve a lot of doubts than colombian gov. can buy this aircraft.In the article of terra.com/co say "de ser escogida la oferta de Boeing el garante de la negociación sería el gobierno estadounidense"...
If Boeing's offer is chosen the US' gov will be the guarantee- Americans,like usual, making a big pressure for the success of his companies.In this case,the european aircraft have more quality and it's more reliable
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:51 pm

I cannot agree with your conclusion that American equipment has less while the European have more quality. As a career commerical airline pilot who has flown everything from the 707 to the 747, I assure you that the quality of Boeing equipment is unquestionable. Many airlines around the world fly the 737, 200/300, some of which are pushing 20 years old, and those old machines continue to deliver the goods, day in and out. I flew the 727 for almost 17 of my close to 36 years, and that plane was by far the least maintenance needy of all the types I flew- reliable, dependable everytime. Airbus's planes are fine, but they are still relatively new, and I wonder if they will be able to withstand 20 or 30 years of flying as the Boeing and Douglas machines do. A friend of mine who flies cargo told me that his line's aging A300 fleet is quite troublesome, and he has seen a range of problems with them, both mechanical and structural. Yet, his line's old DC-8s and 727s keep on chugging with only minor concerns. The new 737s are excellent planes and offer excellent fuel economy, range, and reliability. And quite frankly, I do not blame the US government acting as an unofficial marketing agent for Boeing. It should advocate for its businesses. After all, Airbus has received rhetorical help from its partners which actually subsidize its operations.
 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:35 pm

If it's a Boeing, will they find the bugs before or after it's delivered?  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:01 am

Why does a country like Colombia (no offense) need a presidential plane!!?? There are numerous rich(er) countries e.g. in Europe, which don't have a specific presidential planes at all. They just use business jet or other chartered services. Even use scheduled flights especially for long-haul.
 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:25 am

Behramjee:

Hi, I agree with you, It would be nice to see a 767 as a presidential plane, however the plane will not only be used to move the president from Bogota to other countries but also inside the country, so, there are a los of small airports in Colombia that can't handle a 767 so buying that one would be a waste of money.

FFlyer:

There are a lot of reasons to have a presidential plane;

First of all is security reason for the president.

Second: passengers on commercial flights won't feel safe traveling with the president on board and the security measures to be taken are too high that airlines would waste a lot of money, so perhaps for one flight it would be ok for the airline but in time they would deny permission; if I had to be on the same plane of president Uribe I wouldn't go onboard.

Third: the president does not travel alone, in fact he is always moving with a lot of people between body guards, ministers, advisers and journalists so doing it in a commercial plane wouldn't be a good idea.

Fourth: Airlines Schedules are extremely rigid and the president is constantly moving from here to there, a delay of a commercial flight would screw his agenda.

Fifth: The president travels every weekend to different cities in the country and come back to Bogota, using a chartered service in time, would be more expensive than buying a plane

Sixth: The people of Colombia actually Want his president to have a safe plane.

In fact, even when you wrote "no offense" those comments really offends people, try to be more careful.
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I think they would go for the A319, we'll see.

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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:42 am

i think the decision will, no matter which plane is better therefore AvB doesnt matter, be a political.
considering hugo chavez (more or less rightfully i think) accuses the usa of being resposible for certain actions supporting opposition to his regime, i do conclude that hell would freeze over before he would order anything u.s..
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:00 am

Would it be out of the realm of possibilities for the Colombian government to buy and to convert a used aircraft? Depending on the government's finances, this might be a consideration. They might also want an aircraft with range comparable to that of the 707. I flew the 707 back in 1969 and its range, depending on type, is greater than the A319 or 737NG. The 707-300 Intercontinental was the primary international transport prior to the 747. Their current aircraft is used also, a former pax transport from World Airways. A 767 or 757 would certainly be good for their needs and relatively easy to acquire and finance. And also, as far as runways are concerned, if they can take off on their existing runways with a 707, they can take off with any jetliner. One of the reasons why the 727 was developed was b/c the 707 and DC-8 could not take off on short runways; their powerplants were good but not powerful enough to generate the speed necessary for quick rotation, especially with a full load. The 737, 757, 767, 777, and 747 as well as the newer Airbus jets have such high thrust engines that takeoff is comparably effortless when considered in relation to the 707.
 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:07 am

I think Colombia will probably end up buying the Boeing Business Jet (essentially a 737-700 with winglets). The winglet-equipped BBJ should be able to fly at least 6,000 nautical miles, which makes it possible to fly from Bogata all the way to much of western Europe non-stop easily.
 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:19 am

"And also, as far as runways are concerned, if they can take off on their existing runways with a 707, they can take off with any jetliner."

UAL727222

When the president goes to cities with shorter runways he doesn't use the 707, he uses the F28.
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"I think the decision will, no matter which plane is better therefore AvB doesnt matter, be a political. considering hugo chavez (more or less rightfully i think) accuses the usa of being resposible for certain actions supporting opposition to his regime, i do conclude that hell would freeze over before he would order anything u.s.."

Zak:

We are talking about the new aicraft for Colombia's president, Chavez is Venezuela's president; by the way, Colombia has very good relationships with US and Europe so the decision will be based on anything but politics.

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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:27 am

Security in a country like Colombia (where there were many assasination attempts on President Uribe in 2003) is a high priority, and that simply cannot be gauranteed on a chartered aircraft, especially on short notice. Looking at military aircraft, the Colombians are equipped with mostly American and Soviet types (Mi-17s, UH-1 and UH-60). I wouldn't be too terribly suprised to see a BBJ or even a C-40B. The A-319CJ is a good aircraft, Daimler Chrysler runs one across the pond on a frequent basis with few problems, I just don't see (geopolitically) that with the billions in aid that the U.S. supplies Colombia, that an Airbus would likely be aquired. I could be wrong though. Either way, it doesn't pay me anything anyways.

The argument that since some EU nations don't have a dedicated executive transport, so what need does backwards Colombia have for one is elitist and offensive. I just hope eventually people realize that the way that they do things is not always the best way.

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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:30 am

"We are talking about the new aicraft for Colombia's president, Chavez is Venezuela's president; by the way, Colombia has very good relationships with US and Europe so the decision will be based on anything but politics."

my bad  Smile
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 2:42 am

UAL727:
Specifically,in this case I find the A319 CJ better than 737.But...i don't wish to start a new "war" Airbus vs Boeing.I like very much the 747's.The best aircraft for long haul made in many years;my father was IB's F/A in 747.I've very good memories in journeys at 747.And I can't understand why the 747 is on the fall...I don't like the 773's like replacement of 742's.But...this is for the other topic.
But it's true:If Colombia buy Airbus(for Avianca o for president's plane) I'm sure than US's aid to Colombia for combat to "guerrilla" can be "in danger" (other case is the aid for narcos and drugs) US can press to Colombia in many things and in many business...this is so true like i'm spaniard and i live in Madrid
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:18 am

Anxebla,

So I think you're basically contradicting yourself. I cannot see why the A319 would be a better option. First of all, it has similar capabilities to the 737BBJ, only that it's way more expensive. Second, apparently Boeing will give better payment methods in case Colombia bought the 737s and third, if buying the 737 means more help from the US (which I simply don't think) well buy it !


Can you please explain your position (which I think is influenced by your helpless Airbus love  Big grin ) ?


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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:00 am

Estimado Fede:
What do you prefer??? A Chrysler Neon or a BMW325??? Well,for me is the same this comparison and the B737-BBJ vs A-319CJ....Chrysler would be Boeing and BMW would be...A319CJ!!!!  Wink/being sarcastic In this case BMW's quality is similar to Airbus... You know very well for me 320 family is better than 737
B-737 is not bad...just for me,Airbus 319/20/21 have more quality... other case is in long-haul aircrafts.
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:02 am

I find it so funny that they could use a B737 or A319 as a presidential plane. It just seems too small to do that job that is required by a president.

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I believe that EVERY country needs a presidential plane. The president cannot stop running the country while he is in-flight and that is what happens (on a very small scale) when a president in onboard scheduled air on a long haul as you say. An example would be if something happened while Mr. Blair is on a BA flight to the US what is he going to do? His communication isnt secure therefore he cannot give orders or receive updates that would be considered "Top secret" Please if anyone knows different feel free to correct me but this is my opinion...
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:11 am

I find it so funny that they could use a B737 or A319 as a presidential plane. It just seems too small to do that job that is required by a president.

UAL747DEN

As I wrote before, Colombia's president need a small aircraft because most of the airports in mid-small size cities in Colombia are really short and he uses to travel to those cities frequently, that is why we have the F28 and the B707, now, the 319 or 737 will have extra fuel tanks not the normal configuration. By the way, I agree with you, a presidential plane is a "must have" for every country in the world.

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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:00 am

I believe MOST European countries DON'T have presidential (or whatever Kings or Queens they have) airplanes. At least none of the Scandinavian countries do, and then what about Belgium, Netherlands, even Germany (France, of course must have one...remember their pride and ego  Big grin, Japan, Australia, Canada...?

Can someone list the countries that do? I guess this list would be a shorther one...
 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:19 am

FFlyer:

In a country with a terrain like the one that we have in Colombia a presidential plane is not a matter of pride or anything, it is a "must have" in order to provide safer and faster movements to our president. I am glad we are getting a new one, if europeans country do not need planes, well, bad for them (or good, from your point of view), I don't know why I am starting to think that US is the only country big-powerful enough to have a presidential plane.  Insane
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:53 am

Obviously, you can't get in the way of progress. But it's sad to see another 707 retired. Just my (unscientific and illogical) .02. For some reason, I have a soft spot for this bird.
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:02 am


Although I'm not inclined to give my praise to Hugo Chavez for changing Presidential planes, it was a necessary move. The old 737 was a flying deathtrap, it once had to make 3 emergency landings (just in one month!!) for different mechanical issues. The problem in Venezuela is that one of the first actions taken by Mr. Chavez was to sell 80% of the Business Jets of state owned oil company PDVSA because the country was in no position to spend any money on maintenance or anything else for that matter. But, as politicians are, the second thing he did was go out and spend US$ 65 million on a brand-new A319CJ as his presidential plane. This was highly criticized because the then Argentinean president De la Rua bought a used 757 as the Presidential plane for much less than that.....go figure! What's better a $65 million A319 or a $50 million 757??

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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:09 am

YV136C,

Yeah Its true what you said. I would like to ask if you know when the President Chavez leaves to Monterrey, Mexico for the Cumbre de las Americas?

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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:18 am

Copa737,

I really don't know about when he's traveling....because he (Mr. Chavez) just finished calling Condoleeza Rice an "analphabet" because she suggested that Mr. Chavez should allow the recall election that has been requested by 3 million Venezuelans against him. As you read in some replies above, this is one of the reasons that Venezuela's relations with the US are quickly degrading....

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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:23 am

Well it doesn't matter which one it will be!!
It would be great to see the B737 with the Colombian flag painted also on the winglets. Hopefully the decision will be made very soon!!

Did you know that Colombia has his first Presidential airplane 8 years before the USA started to have his first one!!!???!! It was an Junker Ju52 for President Enrique Olaya Herrera en 1933,
See this article (Spanish);
http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/hist_imp/Domingo_hist/lect_hist/2003-12-07/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR_HIST-1448204.html


SOUTHAMERICA
Sorry but my Spanish isn't so good, that's why I was thinking that the B703 would be replaced. I forgot the F28, and this one had so many problems last year?????

FFlyer:
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Germany, France and Belgium also has their own presidential/ governmental planes!!!


I also think that it's good for a country to have an own presidential/ governmental plane! You have less problems. I remember that my mother traveled 2 times with the Colombian President Pastrana on board of an commercial flight of AF and IB late 90's. My mother hated it!!! Both flights about 4/5 hours delay!! And also extremely extra safety instructions for the whole pax on this flight!!!. All the extra cost for the Colombian Gov. And on the end for Colombian people (tax!!!) I still don't know why Pastrana did not travel with the FAC 0001???? And also stupid to choose for AF and IB. At the time Avianca had direct flights to Paris and MAD!! Better to spend money in your own economy, especially when your are a President!!!!!!

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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 20

Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:51 am

Here's a thought. The dollar is weak right now, which makes Boeings more attractive to international clients than Airbus' products.

Juanr, Japan has 1/3 of the US population crammed onto a landmass the size of just one of our states (California), and yet their presidential (they don't actually have a president, but that's a close enough term) aircraft is a 747-400. The US uses 747-200s with -400 era engines.

And with as much money as Columbian drug smugglers make of the US market, surely they "owe" it to the US gov't to buy a Boeing.  Big grin
 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:04 am

Juanr, Japan has 1/3 of the US population crammed onto a landmass the size of just one of our states (California), and yet their presidential (they don't actually have a president, but that's a close enough term) aircraft is a 747-400. The US uses 747-200s with -400 era engines.
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MD-90: it is no matter of the size of the country, Japan may have a 747 as a "presidential" plane because they have runways that can handle 747s in all their main cities.

I repeat, most of Colombian mid-small size cities do not have airports with runways capable to handle something heavier than a 737. is that so hard to understand.
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"And with as much money as Columbian drug smugglers make of the US market, surely they "owe" it to the US gov't to buy a Boeing."

MD-90 I resent that, if it was meant to be a joke it is not funny at all

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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:11 am

FFlyer:
Germany has one,Lutfwaffe A310...the plane of Germany's chancellor.Spain now have one A310,Japan has B747-400 for the Royal Family,gov. of Venezuela,France,Italy=A319CJ  Big thumbs up ...my favourite.
Fadh of Saudi Arabi can have until 3 B747-300...when they come to AGP,half airport is Saudia.Mexico have B757,the same is the case of Argentina...etc
Many countries have planes for presidents,Kings and primer minister...it's logical and no strange.Presidents can't depend of airlines or timetables.And the safe is very important,too.
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 20

Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:39 am

Oh I wasn't suggesting that Columbia needs a 747 at all. Definately not. I think a BBJ would be a fine choice.

And if the US would end the "war" on drugs that politicians love to pontificate about, the drug running problem would be significantly reduced and so would the influence of the drug lords.
 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:14 pm

PM of Canada has an A310, very nicely appointed and was nicknamed the "Taj Mahal" by some press years ago who did not like the then PM who ordered it/had it built....PM also uses a fleet of Canadair Challengers and Global Express for in country stuff, short haul, when they don't need the range or capacity...

 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Mon Jan 19, 2004 1:08 pm

Taken from El Tiempo news paper

Boeing 737, nuevo avión presidencial

Una comisión de la Fuerza Aérea Colombiana (FAC) decidió que la mejor oferta para reemplazar los dos viejos aviones presidenciales del país es la de un Boeing 737, que ofrece la fábrica en Estados Unidos. El aparato, que es usado pero está en buenas condiciones, tiene un costo de 30 millones de dólares, pero se necesitarán otros 5 millones para adecuarlo a las necesidades de la Presidencia. Mañana el Consejo Nacional de Política Económica y Social (Conpes) debe aprobar la compra del avión.

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Boeing 737 new presidential plane

A Colombian Air Force (FAC) special comission decided that the best offfer to replace the two old presidential planes is a Boeing 737 one. The plane, used, but in good conditions, costs US$30M but US$5M more are required to adecuate it to presidential needs. Tomorrow the Conpes (National Comition of Economic and Social Politics) should approve the deal.
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Well, I think they'll buy the 737, I have heard the news during the last week and surely the Europeans did not deserve to have de deal if they keep saying nasty things about our president. Don't get me wrong, I do not approve Mr. Uribe's administration, I think he is authoritarist and rightist, but still he is our president and deserves respect. So the US is sending us money and weapons and now a new presidential plane. It is a shame they didn't take the Embraer offer serioulsly, it Would have been great.

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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:07 pm

Thanks for the update!
 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Tue Jan 20, 2004 3:30 am

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Boeing 737-73Q BBJ It Will Be

Wed Jan 21, 2004 1:51 am

I just read that Colombian governmnet have choosen for the Boeing 737-73Q BBJ!!!!!!!

Can't wait to see it!!
When will it arrive??

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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Wed Jan 21, 2004 1:59 am

According with an official from Colombian Air Force the plane will be landing in Bogota in eight months; I was caught by surprise because he also said that the old F28 will not be completely retired despite the serious incidents of the last months!!!

Juan
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vinovalentino
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:36 am

"PM of Canada has an A310, very nicely appointed and was nicknamed the "Taj Mahal" by some press years ago who did not like the then PM who ordered it/had it built"

Although the aircraft was a relatively expensive purchase the PM did not order it.. The AC was an ex-Wardair purchase that the Canadian gov't picked up at the time of the Wardair/Canadian merger.

 
airliner777
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:15 am

I'll vote for the BBJ!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
JUANR
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:20 am

It is official...the BBJ is the winner. US$29M + US$5M. Is that a good price?? The plane is almost new.

Juan
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ual747den
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:24 am

I think the president should stop worrying about the plane and start doing his job and stop all the major drug rings in his country....
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:32 am

For me,the best choice is A319CJ... If some day I'm president of my country my plane will be an Airbus 319-CJ  Big thumbs up OF COURSE... Can't for another way.
But I think Uribe is right:for to save is better a used (no too old) plane.The Colombian people can't to understand why spend a lot of money in planes,but the president need a decent plane as like it is a Colombian representation in the world.Saludos a Fede y a Juanr
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Wed Jan 21, 2004 10:28 am


UAL747DEN,

You just don't have a clue do you?

Why don't you just read a little but more about the Utribe's path since he became president. Although maybe then, your stubborn comments whil still remain.  Insane


For your information, the president only asked for 2 things in the plane: Internet, and a satellite phone to be able to work while he's travelling.


Oh, and about the drugs, be sure that he's doing a good job, but it's just to difficult when there are sooooooo many clients and consumers in some countries above...



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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:56 pm

The plane is actually owned by the US Department of Defense and is stored in Waco, TX. Colombia purchased the plane for USD$29 million and will invest another USD$11 million in security enhancements.
 
soamsky
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:04 am

I remember I read somewhere that China bought a plane for government use from the US. They were outraged when discovered hidden microphones and all kind of spy devices.

I wonder if that could happen to the Colombian presidential plane
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joleb
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:31 am

Belgium has a Airbus 310(ex-Singapore Airlines) ,an Embraer ERJ , a Dassault Falcon Mystere 20E, a Dassault Falcon 900B.

up until 1996 they used to have a Boeing 727 but I don't know if they still do now
 
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RE: Colombia To Buy A New Presidential Plane In 2004

Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:58 am


UAL747DEN :

Can you please have a little more respect to our Nation ??!! Thanks.
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