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Eastern Airlines Service

Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:48 pm

I'm not old enough, to have flown on them, but I would really like to know what kind of airline they were, in service and planes. What about their routes, did they have lots of routes all over the world or mainly in the states.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:43 pm

Eastern was a great airline. Low fares and very good service. When I was a kid, I remember flying on their 727's and 707's (I think) to Florida. Never had a bad thing to say about their service. It was sad to see them go. I will always remember them.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:52 pm

Does anyone know any good links so I can find more info on Eastern
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:07 pm

I'm not old enough, to have flown on them...

errrr... your profile says you're 26-35. I'm several years younger than that and flew on EA lots of times -- they didn't go bust until I was 9 or 10.

Nonetheless, it's not fair to compare EA's service to today's standards. In the late 1980s, EA, DL, NW, etc. would serve a hot meal with silverwear on DTW-CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO. Nowadays you won't get a meal, but you may be able to buy one, but even then you won't give silverwear.

At the end, EA had fallen behind its peers and was flying DC-9, B727, B757 (some had been recently sold off), A300-100/200 and L1011-1 aircraft. DL_Mech once wrote that the L1011-1 DL purchased from EA were coachroach infested. The B727 (newer models) acquired by DL, NW and other operators were maintenance prone.

EA's FF program, OnePass, survives today with CO. Heck, one can argue that if it wasn't for the money injected into CO (received from Texas Air selling EA's Shuttle, MIA hub and SystemOne), they wouldn't have stood an opportunity to be around today... not to mention that AirTran was started by Lorenzo's goons using former EA gates and some former EA employees... so one can argue that in a way, EA lives on today  Smile.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:17 pm

I never had the chance to fly on Eastern until just a few weeks before it folded. Many of the employees gamely tried to give us good service, although they doubtless knew they were about to lose their jobs. Nerves were visibly frazzled and patience was in short supply. Plus, we had more mx-related delays on these four legs (LAX-ATL-SJU-ATL-LAX) than in any ten years of flying on other airlines.

I'll not soon forget crossing a mechanics' picket line at SJU to board the rather doggy EA L-1011 that had arrived two hours late. Fortunately for us, EA held our connecting flight at ATL. On boarding the Airbus at ATL, a passenger from our SJU flight asked a F/A for a pillow. She said none were left, and the passenger vented his frustration.

The F/A wheeled around and said, "Sir, we waited two hours for you!"

Without missing a beat the passenger shot back, "No, ma'am. You waited two hours for your airplane!"

I wish I could have flown on Eastern in their heyday.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:08 pm

Eastern was a very nice airline in its prime. I rode them many times in both F/C and coach and never received anything other than good service.

I hated seeing what happened to Eastern. What a total waste of an airline.

If you only rode them after all the trouble started, you would have no clue what a lovely carrier they were at one time.

I took my first trip to SJU on Eastern and my first trip to STT. Both trips I rode in F/C in both directions and was just treated so well.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:48 pm

Re: Eastern was a great airline. Low fares and very good service. When I was a kid, I remember flying on their 727's and 707's (I think) to Florida.

You were close. Not to split hairs, Eastern flew the Boeing 720. The 720 being based on the 707 but shorter range. Eastern was one of the few airlines who at one time or another flew every first generation wide body airliner.


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And, they had a diverse fleet. During the late 60's early 70's EAL still flew those venerable props. I remember hearing and seeing a Connie at MIA in August of '68. America's only home grown turbo-prop jet Electra flew on Eastern's routes well into 1975. During this period you could spot a Martin 404, Convair 440 and even a DC-7 with their "hockey stick" logo. At the onset of the swinging 60's during JFK's Camelot and when a talking horse named Mr. Ed signified; Eastern's fleet featured DC-8's, Boeing 720's, Lockheed Electra's and DC-7's for their longer range flights. Eastern's route system relied heavily on the vacation crowd. Eastern birds dominated the Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore to Miami route. When Mickey opened his doors (Disney World) in '71 Eastern was the "Official Airline of Walt Disney World." When economic times were strong so was Eastern. However, the economic downturn of the Nixon era and the Arab Oil embargo clipped the wings of commercial aviation and thus had an adverse affect on Eastern. Later in the decade known for bad taste in everything and disco, the airline industry became deregulated. This was a new ballgame. Eastern had the double trouble of relying heavily on vacation travelers and rising labor costs and issues. Along comes the Reagan 80's with its ruthless corporate raiders (Lorenzo) and the once proud "Wings Of Man" was basically stripped and dismantled and finally ceased operations in early 1991. There are a lot of great posts and forums here at Airliners.net, where you can even get more detailed in depth information about the ascent and crash landing of one the United States prominent legacy airlines.  Crying


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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:51 pm

December 1984 was the pits for Eastern. Morale was at an all time low, and mechanics were performing a very effective slowdown campaign. Sitting in a coach seat behind the starboard wing of an A300 at ATL that was supposed to be going to SFO I saw what looked like gallons of liquid pouring out from under the wing. Several other passengers noticed it too and lo and behold it was jetfuel cascading down onto the ramp. The plane was evacuated and we spent the next 4 hours waiting for a spare A300 to be brought up. It didn't show so the original A300 which was still at the gate was used instead. My wife and i got to Frisco albeit over 4 hours late. Our return to ATL from SFO on EA was cancelled. I'm convinced that the mechanics slowdown had a lot to do with not just my problem in Dec '84 but dozens of other EA flights. EA did put us on Delta to ATL on one of their L1011s. That was back when Delta was something special however.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:47 pm

CO737800,

I worked for EA (reservations, inflight, system one, psgr services) If there is any specific question you need answered please let me know.

I still have several timetables, inflight manuals, brochures, all sorts of EA memorabilia and even my uniforms! Any info that I might not remember I will be happy to look up for you.



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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:40 am

Why did once a great airline go under.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:47 am

Why did once a great airline go under.

Unfortunately, you can ask that question over and over in aviation.
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:54 am

Wasn't Eastern a launch customer for the 752?

Zippyjet, I remember EA being the Official Airline of Walt Disney World! They sponsored the History of Flight (or whatever it was called) in Tomorrowland in the '70s.
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:56 am

Wasn't Eastern a launch customer for the 752

Eastern was THE launch customer for the 752.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:01 am

the L1011-1 DL purchased from EA were coachroach infested

While I can't speak to that point, I do know that in one celebrated case, DL mechanics going over an L-1011 purchased from EA found a large quantity of cocaine stashed in an avionics bay, no doubt forgotten by someone smuggling it from South America!
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:23 am

Before F. Borman, EA was a good airline : good planes, good service, comfortable cabins, reliable and efficient. I've flown several times mainly from CCS and Caribbean destinations to MIA, DCA (via MIA) and LGA on its 727s and they did a far better job than most of their non-American competition then. Seat pitch was 34' on Y !!!!! Standard meal used to be a nice steak, potatoes, a fresh, crispy salad and dessert, filling and tasty. For instance, on Aruba- Miami, LM used to serve popcorn and soft drinks only !
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:51 am

IMHO, it was still a great airline after Col. Borman came onboard. The problem was the continuous money-grab by IAM head Charlie Bryan that ultimately resulted in EA's demise.
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:58 am

Their was no reason to glorify in death, what was horrible in life.
Eastern was a fairly miserable airline...quickened to it's death by Charlie B.

Rickenbacken himself was the first to admit that revenue came first ("butts in seats") before customer service...

The aircraft were plain, and the f/a uniforms very militaristic as I recall (I was young).

They do derserve kudos for the enormous amount of pax they would carry...I believe they held the free world record for many years.

The shuttle was both innovative and profitable for them for many, many years.

The L1011, A300, and 757 owe their success largely to EA as well.

All and all...a fairly mixed bag.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:58 am

Lorenzo + Bryan= Death.


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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:09 am

FlyGuy:

Lorenzo + Bryan= Death.

I always figured that Charlie Bryan and Frank Lorenzo were so hot to trot to destroy each other that they were willing to destroy Eastern in the bargain.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:26 am

My very first flight that I can remember was on an Eastern DC-7 from MIA to BOS.


After that, I was a regular Eastern addict. One of the last Eastern flights I remember was on a B727-51 from BOS to MIA. The flight was on a hard stand (no jetway) and remember boarding the aircraft through the rear stairs.. Even though the number 2 engine had the word "WhisperJet" on it, it was anything but and I loved it!!! The louder the happier I was  Smile






Hmm, I also remember that the Flight Attendants on this flight were wearing - Cowboy jeans, checkered shirts, cowboy boots and cowboy hats  Smile (From what I understand - it was a once a year thing).

Mind you, this was all during the regulated era. I only had 4 airlines to choose from when traveling from MIA - BOS (EA, DL, NE and National). I tried NE yellow bird for awhile then switched to National (MIA the home base - have to fight for the home town company  Smile )






 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:27 am

During the cold winter nights during the 70`s the TV spots "I NEED IT BAD" sure warmed the hearts thinking about the palm trees and beaches of Florida
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:34 am

One of the last Eastern flights I remember was on a B727-51 from BOS to MIA.

Not to nitpick, but that would have been a B-727-25.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:42 am

Greg:

The aircraft were plain, and the f/a uniforms very militaristic as I recall (I was young).

The last several years Eastern operated, they did wear military looking uniforms. I remember they had one military type uniform and then EA put them into a new one that was worse than the old. It didn't have that "stewardessy" look that the military type F/A uniforms from the 40s and 50s had, it just looked like it belonged to the Army.

In the late 60s, though, Eastern F/A wore a black Chanel type suit with matching pill box hat and a white shirt. They carried red American Tourister luggage. It was smart for its time. Then they went into a kind of funky 70s thing with jumpsuits that had bell bottomed pant legs, and things of that sort.

It's too bad you were not able to ride EA in its prime. It was very nice when it was. If you only rode it the last few years it operated, it would have been a whole different world than what it once was.

I only rode EA once after it started its downward spiral. It bore no resemblance to the airline I had ridden on a few years before.



 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:17 am

EA in it's time was a classy airline. It just had too many problems to over come including over-expansion, Borman and Lorenzo and the Union just to name a few of the ailments it suffered. I had many friends here in ATL who worked for EA and I can tell you first hand, their lives were sadly devistated when EA folded. I personally knew two f/a's who committed suicide with the demise of EA. It was their life and all they knew.  Sad
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:47 am

I personally knew two f/a's who committed suicide with the demise of EA. It was their life and all they knew.

This is very sad but, unfortunately true. EA isn't the only airline to have this happen.

I started my flying career with TWA in 1973. Since then I took early out in 98 and joined CO. Since the AA take over of TW, I lost 3 friends to suicide. From the Delta take over of PAA, I lost 1 friend.

The younger group here must understand, when we were hired (cabin staff), we couldn't get married or pregnant.. If we did - it was "see ya", a little paper pink slip of termination would be waiting for you in your company mail-box.

The ones - like myself, that continued flying with our flying carrier, and never got married or had children (our choice), were the ones that suffered from those corporate raiders like (but not limited to) Lerenzo or Ichan.

Ok, I hear people saying - get a life - get over it..! I wish I could after investing not only 33 years of my life but, my respect, dedication and lively hood to/for a company that doesn't care, is unforgiving.

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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:44 am

JoAnne:

You are not the only one to experience such loss. Add one for me. One of my best friends that I interviewed with, went through training with, flew with, took home to my parent's on long layovers with, did as well. She bought a ticket after the shut down of Braniff Part 2. Went up to ATL where so over dosed in our old crew layover hotel. I had NO idea. Aviation sometimes is addicting and lethal.

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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:55 am

Never got to fly them, but I wish I did! They went out during 1991 or the days of preschool for me. I would love to go back in time and fly on one of there 757s anyday.
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:58 am

One enduring memory I have of Eastern is that a lav on a 727 from BDL to ATL was painted entirely in lime green paint and had a couple of large Smurfs on the walls. I flew on Eastern DC-9s and 727s, but I was too little to notice the service, generally.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:09 am

FlyGuy, JoAnne........

I've never lost a friend like that and I am so sorry for both of you.

I understand from talking with the ladies who came to us from Braniff I that there were several flight attendants who committed suicide when BI went under. It was all they knew and they didn't think life was worth living without it.
 
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:15 am

Guys-
Didn't mean to take the post and turn it into a bummer. Sad It just sometimes makes me just fume when I hear Lorenzo's name and Bormman's. They just butchered so many peoples lives.... Anyway, EA was a Class Act!  Smile
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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:26 am

iflyatldl:

You are correct. EA was a great company in its day. They were top notch. My first airline interview was with them and they treated me like they wanted me. It was not just you going to them. It was them coming to you to get the very best they could. I was hired and then my training class was Xncld. I got to fly them serveral times. I grew up in CLE and took them to Florida about 4 times. They had one flight my parents liked. Flight 338 a Boeing 727-25. FMY (old Fort Myers) MCO and then home to CLE. I always wanted to stop and get off in MCO as a kid. No such luck. Over the years I got to fly on almost all the equipment they had. DC9-30, 50. Boeing 727-225 and 727-25. Airbus 300 and The Lockheed 1011. Just miss that L1011. Not an airplane like it around. SPACE and those whining engines. WWWWWWWOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

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RE: Eastern Airlines Service

Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:39 am

flyguyclt:
You're right, nothing beats the sound of those L10 engines spooling up. I always loved pushback on those babies! As many times as I worked that a/c, I always knew I was going somewhere! Big grin My last flight on that BEAutiful Bird was in '01 ATL-SJU. I miss it too.  Smile
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