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Alitalia News - new summer timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:11 am

Here some Alitalia news:

with the new summer timetable Alitalia will increase the number of flights on many routes:

MXP-Algeris from 4 weekly to daily with M80 (there is also a daily flight from FCO)

MXP-Beirut from daily to 8 weekly (3 morning and 5 evening departures)

MXP-Belgrade from 3 weekly (with M80) to daily with ER4

MXP-Bucharest from 2 daily to 3 daily with M80

MXP-Cairo 2 daily flights with A321 in spite of A320.

MXP-Lagos from B763 to B772

MXP-Sofia from daily to 11 weekly with M80

MXP-Teheran from 3 weekly to 5 weekly with A320

FCO-Bucharest from daily to 2 daily with M80

FCO-Zurich new daily flight

However MXP-AMM will be suspended for next summer.
 
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Alitalia News - new summer timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:16 am

Apparently they have reduced their frequency on FCO-MAD?

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Alitalia News - new summer timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:31 am


They are also introducing

MXP-IAD with 763 on 28 March
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:52 am

Rumors in Mexico have stated that Alitalia will start to fly to MEX and CUN, does anyone know if this is true?
 
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:51 am

I WISH ATL could see some MXP service or even FCO on AZ  Big grin
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 2:13 am

Can you advise what the sked has for YYZ and YUL from MXP and FCO? Many thanks
 
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From My Post

Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:18 am

From my post:

Alitalia is starting a new 767-300ER operated Milan MXP to Washington DC Dulles IAD flight on March 28th taking over what was once one of United's flagship routes.

Schedule is as follows:

AZ 622 MXP 10.30AM IAD 2.00PM

AZ 623 IAD 5.40PM MXP 8.00AM

Note: AZ 622-623 were the flight codes AZ used to use on the MXP-LAX route now not operated anymore.

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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:24 am

Its good to see AZ increasing their flights to Beirut, it is a very popular connection for passengers traveling onward from Europe and North America to Lebanon. My guess is that we can expect a further increase in frequency in AZ flights to BEY, maybe even a upsize in aircraft since this flight is mostly booked.

AZ schedules their flight to Beirut so that it leaves at night and comes back to Milan in the morning. The trick is to keep airplanes flying that would normally be sitting on the tarmac in Milan and otherwise not be generating any money.

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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:38 am

Are they still flying to DKR (Dakar) ?
If yes, which plane and when...

Thanks.
 
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:39 am

I also wish AZ would start flights to MEX and/or CUN. I guess it is feasible as part of AZ's involvement in SkyTeam. With the U.S. VISIT program now in place, I think more and more European travelers will try to avoid connecting in the U.S. when flying to Mexico and Latin American countries (the same goes for Mexican travelers going to Europe), so this may be a good opportunity for AZ.

I think there is considerable air traffic from Mexico to Italy and viceversa. I guess it is composed mostly of tourists, rather than business travelers, but I think it could still be a profitable route.
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:51 am

Alitalia operates three weekly flights between Milan Malpensa and Dakar with B767-300ER equipment.
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:37 am

Dakar used to be operated by the MD-11 Combi aircraft.

Philadelphia to Rome may be a possibility on Alitalia should US Airways fall under as expected!
 
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:49 am

How large is the Italian community in Dakar?
 
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:56 am

It is more of the other way around... How big is the Senegalian community in Northern Italy... Answer: Large!


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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:13 pm

But also it's of the other way: a lot of italian are visiting countries around the world during vacations... It's crazy, everywhere they go, and in West Africa they go to Senegal.
 
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:46 pm

No Philadelphia, Mexico, Montreal nor Cancun in the near future, I'm repeating this to death, AZ hasn't enough plane to start all those routes!
Mexico is definately there in the future (maybe codeshare with Aeromexico planes and route?), but not now from AZ. Cancun routes are flown from Italy from charter company (Eurofly, Blue Panorama, Volare/Air Europe and Lauda), being low-yield, touristic routes.

Sabena690: I know they'll give up a daily flight to BCN, reducing from 4x to 3x daily. I've checked on AZ web the scheduled for MAD (from MXP) and the flight are 3x daily by AZ and 2x daily by UX (Air Europa); in the summer schedule they don't report anymore the codeshare with Air Europa, but maybe because UX hasn't reported yet their summer schedule (I hope so!). The same fro FCO-MAD, in the summer schedule don't appear (yet) the codeshare flights from UX.

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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:36 pm

Alitalia is restarting Rome to Verona on the MD-80!



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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:45 pm

think more and more European travelers will try to avoid connecting in the U.S. when flying to Mexico and Latin American countries

Why? Citizens of all Western European countries (which includes Italy) are 100% unaffected by the new restrictions.
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:20 pm

I wonder if Alitalia will ever make another attempt at starting up flights to Addis Ababa, Ethiopia...

As for avoiding connecting in the US, even flying one stop flights such as London-Houston on BA via Chicago is a big hassle since every passenger needs to get off at Chicago and clear customs & immigration before boarding the same aircraft for the last leg. Also, connecting through the US is now a hassle for people from ALL countries including western europeans because of the more stringent checks they are subjected to.
 
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:40 pm

Thanks for the info DaV. Then it will probably be AM the one that will start flying to FCO or MXP from MEX. I hope that happens soon!!!

MAH4546: I believe the new U.S. VISIT program's restrictions apply to all foreign visitors, including Western Europeans, so my argument that travellers from Latin America to Europe and viceversa will avoid stopping and/or connecting in the U.S. stands.

By the way, anybody knows if AZ will go ahead with its announced plans to merge with Air France KLM after their merger is approved?
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:25 pm

I am no fan of the Homeland Security Department, but the website of the DHS states:

The US-VISIT program -- United States Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology -- is a cornerstone of the Department's goals to improve border management at our ports of entry.  By capturing more complete arrival and departure data for those who require a visa to enter the United States, the US-VISIT program will enhance the security of our citizens and visitors while expediting legitimate travel and trade.  

It is only applicable to people requiring visas to enter..... Of course, I have to continually ask why some nationalities (like Brazil) need visas to enter the USA. If connecting traffic is mostly from Western Europe, it will not present a problem.


 
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:46 pm

MAH4546: I believe the new U.S. VISIT program's restrictions apply to all foreign visitors, including Western Europeans, so my argument that travellers from Latin America to Europe and viceversa will avoid stopping and/or connecting in the U.S. stands.


No, it does not. Nationals of 29 countries are exempt under the new US-VISIT programme. They are:

Andorra, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brunei, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Mexico, Monaco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and United Kingdom.

As well, residents of those nation's territories/possessions are also exempt. These includes residents of French Guyana, Tahiti, the UK Virgin Islands, the Netherland Antillies, and Greenland, to name some.

The majority of the traffic is heading from those destinations, and in even bigger majority of the higher yielding traffic is heading from those destinations.


[Edited 2004-01-12 07:49:22]
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:13 pm

Why did Alitalia cancel service to LAX? I remember seeing the MD11 a long time ago, but no more  Sad ...why not?

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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Mon Jan 12, 2004 6:50 pm

Hi!
Can you please give me Alitalia's other 777 routes for Summer 04!
Thank you very much!!!

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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:09 am


Any chance Alitalia could fly to ATL??? I know DL serves FCO and MXP, but maybe a chance...??
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:38 am

Lhr001: yes, AZ is restarting FCO-VRN twice daily with Md80 instead of codesharing with Meridiana on the route; Meridiana, in a retaliatory act, is going to start LIN-FCO 6x daily. Now they have a low-fare concurrent on their premium domestic route...

767-332ER: read my post above... no long-haul plane, no chance in the near future.

A330Fan1: low yield, mismanagement, no sufficient revenues on the route. I still ask myself how they managed to get that flight so bad...

JMO-777: for any info about Alitalia 777 routes, delivery and news keep an eye on http://www.alitalia777.it

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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:50 am

DAV

I'm still wondering too.

There wasn't certainly lack of demand on MXP-LAX.
 
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:15 am

There wasn't certainly lack of demand on MXP-LAX.

No, but there was certainly lack of profit. Too many leisure travelers on bargain fares.
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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:27 am

No, but there was certainly lack of profit. Too many leisure travelers on bargain fares.

That's certanly true, but as the aircraft deployed on the route was a Md11 Combi, it should have carried enough cargo to keep the route profitable, even with a low yield pax payload, thus I think about mismanagement as the only answer.

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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:15 am

I just wish Alitalia would resume its operations at Galeão (GIG)

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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:26 pm

San Francisco would have been more profitable if it were not for the 767-300 or the route restrictions. San Francisco woud have been fine if not for the redundant service at the same departure time as Los Angeles. San Francisco was scheduled at 3:45pm on a 767-300.

Los Angeles was commenced on a 747-200 Combi, then turned to a MD-11 Combi. Los Angeles is mainly leisure. Los Angeles was first scheduled at 6:30pm and then 3:55pm.

Atlanta will not be opened unless a deal is commenced with Delta similar to that of KLM/Northwest Airlines.

Mexico City would do wel if and when Alitalia would initiate the service. The Mexicans and their affluent class are very fond of Italian fashion. Milan to Mexico City woul definitely bode well for the well heeled Mexican business and leisure travellers. However, Aero Mexico will more than likely open the MEX-MXP route on a 777-200 when they come on line!

Cancun suffers from the same stigma as Riode Janeiro... Low Yield. Italian charter companies have routes to Cancun and Cuba saturated!

Rio de Janeiro suffered from low yield and is mainly a leisure market!


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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:02 pm

Alitalia and Delta are fully integrated in an alliance, they codeshare on each transatlantic flight and on many domestic (DL) and intra-european/domestic (AZ) flight. Delta reported that ATL-MXP was one of the best performing transatlantic route of 2003, load factor was around 90% year round.
If AZ would start a MXP-ATL flight they would simply codeshare on the flight as they already do.

SFO served a different market than LAX, it was more business focused. The problem was, as you said, the 763 which had frequently to stop in Sacramento for refuelling. I don't think that the two flights were overlapping eachother, they have enough market (catchment area) to sustain a daily flight and they are 500km away!!

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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:08 pm

DaV,


You are correct...

When the San Francisco service commenced one of the first ideas was to operate the route with the MD-11Combi just as Los Angeles. Another idea that was brought up was SFO-LAX-MXP using the 747-200. Finally the decision was made to operate the route with a 767-300ER..

Delta Airlines when more 777-200 equipment are available are sure to operate the type to Malpensa. Malpensa has been out performing Zurich, Brussels, Frankfurt, Munich, Madrid, and Barcelona with Delta Airlines as of last summer. The one good thing with Malpensa is it is not low yield. Most of the market is high yield!





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RE: Alitalia News - New Summer Timetable

Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:39 pm

Delta Airlines when more 777-200 equipment are available are sure to operate the type to Malpensa

Yes, and from time to time they already bring that piece of metal in. I've never had the luck to see it by myself, but some friends of mine did  Pissed

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