glennstewart
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Unluckiest Aircraft

Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:13 am

Hi All,

She's not that old (Delivered August 17, 2003), but in this short space of time, an estimated AUD$250 million will have been spent repairing her.

She was hit by a tug late last year.....  Sad
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Not even being in the air 2 weeks, and on a flight between MEL and LAX, she received major damage in a hail storm.

This new Wunula Dreaming isn't doing too well.

Glenn

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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:19 am

Thats kind of ironic, maybe if the aircraft was painted back into classic colors it may survive a bit more! When the tug hit it what color scheme was it? Could be a cursed color!

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PS- For anyone who has a comment on my post reply, No, Im not superstitious and the above comment WAS A JOKE!  Big grin
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:49 am

Third party information a bit suss...
Don't think damage was as much as stated above...

Unlucky still

Glenn
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:50 am

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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:20 pm

Maybe if people could spell its name properly it wouldn't be so unlucky Smile

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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:29 pm

"It's WANULA Dreaming!!!"

Sorry, but not quite  Big grin : http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/about/FactFilesNov2002.pdf Use the search function to find "Wunala" when the file has loaded.
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:04 am

Any a/c painted into TED C/S!





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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:08 am

Aloges,

You're right! I guess I didn't do enough research. Airlines 2002 spells it 'Wanula', and there are 18 photos on A.net with that spelling.

At least I was right about it not being Wunula  Smile
 
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:01 am

"She's not that old (Delivered August 17, 2003), but in this short space of time, an estimated AUD$250 million will have been spent repairing her."

I think the initial cost of the aircraft was 250 mil. Don't think Qantas spent another 250 mil. in repairs.
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:03 am

No, it's the China Air 747-400 that lasted some four months before being 'blown' off the Kai Tak taxiway.

So far, it's been the largest hull write off in aviation history--although I don't know the actual $ amount.
 
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:56 am

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CHINA AIRLINES = TAIWAN (The crappy airline)
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Mon Jan 12, 2004 9:08 am

Ah, I figured you were just talking about the entire L1011 series...
 
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Mon Jan 12, 2004 9:28 am

An "Unlucky Aircraft" is one that does not have equal take-offs to landing quota.  Big grin
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Mon Jan 12, 2004 9:57 am

Hey everyone, listening to this post, it reminded me of the airline I used to work for, it is a small commuter airline here in Canada, but exactly 1 week apart, we had 2 Beech 1900's taking off out of the same airport, for the same destination, and both of them received hail damage. The second incident was more severe then the first as the pilots were scared that they were going to loose the aircraft as the turbulance was so bad. The funny thing is that neither storm supposedly showed up on radar on either aircraft. So we had a bit of repair work to do to both aircraft, but it was amazing as it was the same day of the week, just 1 week later between the two aircraft.
Anyone else have strange stories like this one and the main post of the topic? I remember seeing a pic of a Saudi Airlines brand new 747-400 that was written off as it taxied into a drainage ditch and bend the fuselage.

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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:16 am

My nomination for the unluckiest airliner in history is DC8 number 45653, reg. CF-TJN:


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Made in 1962, Overran the runway in 1965 into a cabbage field...extensive damage almost caused it to be written off, but it was repaired and put back into service.

Only two years later, a pilot was being tested and the instructor cut one of the engines at V1 on takeoff. Coincidentally, the other engine on the same side failed at a critical moment, and they couldn't regain control and crashed. Three pilots died.

I read about this from the CVR transcript in the book "Black Box".

Read about it here:
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1967/670519-0.htm

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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:34 am

My vote would go to N7071, the first jet aircraft that was supposed to be delivered to Braniff.

From aviation-safety.net:

The Boeing 707 N7071 was operating on a customer guarantee and acceptance training flight prior to delivery of the plane to Braniff. The plane was being flown by a Braniff captain and a Boeing testpilot as instructor. Other Braniff and Boeing personnel were on board as crew members and observers. A series of Dutch Rolls were performed; one of the rolls was executed beyond the maximum bank restrictions. Control was lost, but the aircraft recovered. During the recovery however, the no. 1, 2 and 4 engines were torn off. An intense fire burned away portions of the jet control near the no.2 engine attachment area. An emergency descent was carried out and the plane crash-landed along river. PROBABLE CAUSE: "The structural failure induced during an improper recovery attempt from a Dutch Roll which exceeded the angle-of-bank limits prescribed by the company."




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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:25 pm

And the most unlucky airline?

Must be Air Botswana in 1999 when a suicide pilot took off without permission and crash into their fleet destroying all aircraft but one.
 
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:48 am


That's insane! Do you have a link to any info on that incident?
 
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:56 am

OMG Voyager, never heard of that before!!!

Plot obviously a bit 9-P9-P Nuts Nuts Nuts

Was anyone aboard the other aircraft whn they were destryed????

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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:07 am

 
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:10 am

The non-word "Wanula" has now been excised from the database. It's amazing how many people can misspell a word sometimes..
 
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:47 am

I'd rate the Avro Tudor as the unluckiest airplane series to be built. Despite being Avro's first post-war transport design it had a series of unfortunate accidents caused by a mix of bad luck and design deficiencies. By the time these were ironed out, the airplane had already been rendered obsolete. It was one of the primary causes for the consequent demise of A V Roe as an airplane manufacturing company.

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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:02 am

Odd as it may be for me to post anything regarding military aircraft, I believe the Lockheed Starfighter F-104 was called the Widowmaker in the Luftwaffe due to a high percentage of accidents. I remember at the time many European Air Force representatives complaining that the U.S. had sold them a lemon, but I don't really recall any of the details.
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:54 am

Huh...maybe that's why the Avro passenger jet never got approved for production in the 1950s. Imagine how history might have changed.
 
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:02 pm

Read this interesting story in a book of mine on hijackings/bombings called 'Flights of Terror' by David Gero.

Here they mention "one of the unluckiest aircraft ever to have carried passengers":

Phillipine Airlines BAC 1-11 registration RP-C-1184 was twice targeted in a suicide bombing

First attack took place on June 3, 1975, when a man sett off a bomb in a lavatory killing himslef and injuring 45 of the 63 pax/crew. The crew landed safely and the aicraft was repaired.

Second attack took place on August 18, 1975, when exactly the same happened, the saboteur being ejected from the aircraft and the blast leaving a 2ft by 3ft ( c 0.6 m by 1m) hole in the aft fuselage. But again it landed safely. 3 pax of the 80 aboard were injured.

Unfortunately I haven't found any info on the rest of the aircrafts life...

Pretty amazing story...

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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:15 pm

hope she is working without problems when i am in sydney next week!
 
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:36 pm

RA-85154 is right, I'd forgotten about that PAL 111. What's even weirder is that both bombed flights had the same captain.

The new Wanula Dreaming 744ER is certainly unlucky, when I flew on it from LHR to SYD on QF2 on Dec 19, it still had the old business class. Urgh.
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:49 pm

She's not that old (Delivered August 17, 2003), but in this short space of time, an estimated AUD$250 million will have been spent repairing her.

As far as I uderstand from the link its said"A NEW $250 million Qantas jet ,has undergone thousands of dollars worth of emergency repairs ,after it was hit by a tractor before being struck by hail while enroute from Los Angeles."

I believe the Lockheed Starfighter F-104 was called the Widowmaker in the Luftwaffe due to a high percentage of accidents. I remember at the time many European Air Force representatives complaining that the U.S. had sold them a lemon,

When F-104 entered the service was way ahead of its time performance wise.During the change over times when a higher performance jet comes in its first flown by the most experienced pilots.When the time comes that the average guy in the squadron transitioning to a very high performance jet thetre starts the accidents.Same thing happens in all the airforces.Widow maker is said for Harrier and F-16 also as I heard since both were different planes than the average guy used to.When F-16 first entered service in Turkish Airforce in 80's a group of very experienced pilots formed a squadron and flown the aircraft with highest safety record in all NATO F-16 squadrons.When after this safety record as part of fleet renovation all F-104 and F-5 squadrons changed with F-16 and during this transition time some accidents also happened.
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:45 pm

Socrates17:

Yes, there was a joke about the Starfighter during that time the plane was in the German airforce:

How it is possible to get an owner of a Starfighter ?

Just buy some land and wait...

 Big grin

Jan

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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:30 am

Don't forget the comet! It was proudly launched, then had three major accidents in one year, related to "metal fatigue" around the windows area. It was progressively withdrawn from service afterward!
 
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:02 am

You might say this was the "luckiest" aircraft until its third incident.

Challenger Airlines and then the "old" Frontier Airlines DC3, N65276, This aircraft was determined to die. It was called "the suicide plane" by pilots.

It ran off the end of the runway in Salt Lake City while operating with Challenger Airlines, a predecessor airline of Frontier. It hit a car and injured a lady in it.

Next, on Easter Sunday, April 21,1957 it smashed into a mountain and knocked off 12 feet of its left wing on a flight from Prescott to Phoenix but landed safely just two minutes behind sked.

Finally, it crashed and burned in Denver during takeoff on December 21, 1967 while being used as a freighter. Two Frontier pilots, Rocky Crane and Rick Cochran, were killed.

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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:58 am

I'd like to nominate Hawker Siddley Trident 1b G-ARPI or"papa india" as she was known.
On 3rd July 1968 she was on a stand at LHR when an Airspeed Ambassador G-AMAD of BKS Air Transport suffered a flap failure on final approach and cartwheeled in to two BEA Tridents.Papa Tango was written off,Papa India had her tail unit knocked clean off.She was repaired and returned to service.

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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:47 am

Egyptair 737-266 SU-AYH was involved in two incidents within a short time in the mid 1980s. Barely surviving the first, she was later hijacked to Luqa, Malta, with 98 passengers and crew aboard. When Egyptian commandos stormed the plane, the incident became the bloodiest hijacking until 9/11. The plane sat on the tarmac, burnt out, until being cut into pieces and carted away.

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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:33 pm

With respect to the F-104's reputation as a 'widowmaker', I think part of the problem was that both the Luftwaffe and the Canadian Armed Forces were using a plane designed to be a high-speed interceptor (and therefore to fly at higher altitudes) and flying it at low altitudes as a ground-attack aircraft, often over hilly terrain. The plane had only one engine and rather small wings, so in the event of an engine failure or any other emergency at low level there was probably little the pilot could do to recover!
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Fri Jan 16, 2004 9:34 pm

Same story about an unlucky aircraft like Trident3 wrote above about G-ARPI:

JAL Boeing 747-246SR, JA8119


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Suffered a severe tailstrike on a landing in 1978, was repaired, but crashed tragically on August 12, 1985, with the loss of 520 lives.

Martijn
 
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:35 pm

Did someone say TAILSTRIKE?
 
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:14 pm

Yes RA-85154 said tailstrike why?
When the 742 was being repaired the fuselage at the rear was only riveted once not doubled riveted so it wasn't as strong as it should have been and over time the metal got weak and just gave way on August 12, 1985. Well thats the gist of it.

Is there something wrong with the word tailstrike, I must be missing out on something here?
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:35 pm

This helicopter

http://yonkis.com/media/salvamem.wmv

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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Sat Jan 17, 2004 9:29 am

Actually, Any ValuJet Or Tower Air planes Laugh out loud



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ra-85154
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RE: Unluckiest Aircraft

Sat Jan 17, 2004 6:52 pm

I'd like to nominate the DC-10 in general.

The DC-10 was the victim of massive negative publicity twice in a decade after two horrific crashes with hundreds of lives lost (THY981, 1974 and AA191, 1979), and even grounded in 1979 after the Chicago crash.

Martijn