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Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:14 am

I was wondering why MEA would not consider the A330-300 for its fleet expansion.

If the rumour of adding 2 A330's is true, the -300 could be excellent for the LHR and CDG routes which need capacity and not that much range. The A333 can handle 295 passengers on 10400 km, way enough for these routes. Also, it is available with the same Trent engines as the -200 hence incurring no extra cost. Training should be no problem

The 40 extra pax could be VERY helpful especially in high season activity (christmas and Summer).

Furthermore, it has a much higher cargo capacity, especially that it doesn't have the central tank (if I'm not mistaken)

The remaining A332 could then be used on the longer routes (Africa-Brazil).

So, overall, I see it as a good choice.

What do you think guys?

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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:22 am

I am sure it's been considered. However, MEA's strategy is to intentionally slightly underserve destinations to always keep planes full year-round. If flights are always kept full, they can charge higher fares because of the higher demand than supply. This way MEA maintains higher yields which bring in more profits for MEA.

I think this is why they will not get the A330-300, but you are right. It is perfect for BEY-CDG and BEY-LHR which are always full.

We'll see how it goes.

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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:24 am

I once thought of this too and brought it up. BA was able to answer it, I will quote him on this one:

The A330-300X is not an option for MEA at all. Range of the A330-300X is about 1050nm less than the A330-200 on a typical load. Quite a significant difference.

Th A330-300X has proven to be an excellent airliner for Intra-Asia routes and routes across the Atlantic between Western Europe and North America.

This is why the aircraft is very popular in Asia and why both US Airways and Air Canada operate them and why Northwest will be a future operator.

However, I do not think the aircraft will be a good idea for MEA. Infact, no Arab carrier operates A330-300s.

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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:27 am

Oops, looks like we were talking about the 300 model in general.

Anyway, my own opinion of the issue is that since we finally sorted out the A332 ETOPS dilemma to GRU, an A330-300 might be overkill for the route especially with MEA's strategy of not having a hard time filling all the seats.

It looks like we are getting two more A330-200s, I guess F-OMED and F-OMEE.
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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:32 am

It looks like we are getting two more A330-200s, I guess F-OMED and F-OMEE.

I think they will only be temporary leases for the summer.

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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:37 am

I always thought it was weird that the A321s had the french registration even though they were owned by Middle East Airlines, Air Liban s.a.l.

It turns out that it costs less money like this because of some deal with Airbus, but still it would have been nice to see OD-something on the tails of those A321s.
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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:06 am

As far as I know, MEA was looking for an airliner in the same catagory of the A300/310 for it's fleet renewing. Neither Airbus and nor Boeing had the perfect equipment so they went on with the A321 and the A330-200 (like many other airlines). This is why I think MEA doesn't want to look at the larger A330-300.

I don't know why, they always liked this class in capacity. Like they never ordered the B727 and the B737, and settled for the little larger 707/720. When they wanted to replace these, they were considering the B767 and the A310 and eventually chose the latter. Although they did order 3 747s.

What I mean is that the current types serve their needs (and probably the mentality too) but anything is possible.
 
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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:29 am

no Arab carrier operates A330-300s

While that's true today, QR does have A333s on order. First delivery later this year I believe.
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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:34 am

--> MEA never ruled out the A330-300, it still has a chance of entering the fleet down the line. The A330-300 has enough range to cover all of MEA,s current routes including Africa. In the event of further network expansion the 330-300 would also be able to cover a ABJ-GRU flight or direct to Asia KUL or SIN.

--> The French registration on the A321s is for legal reasons linked to the financing of the purchase. In 10 to 12 years when they are all payed for you might see them in OD- registration. Examples Aeroflot A319, RJ A320's

--> Short term leases like you are suggesting for the summer are always wet leases with the planes staying in their colours( or slight modification) with the crew and registration from country of origin( remember the /jmc A330 Hajj lease).
 
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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:36 am

Last week I talked to an MEA A330 first officer for a while before our flight to London. I really wish I would have asked for specifics on the 4 additional aircrafts that they are bringing in. The pilot, whose name was Nabeel, just told me that they are bringing in two additional A330, but did not specifically say which type.

Personally I was really sad to see the A300/310 leave the fleet. They were such a nice, reliable aircraft. Supposedly they are missle proof!  Laugh out loud (Remember the DHL A310 in Iraq)

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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:39 am

MEA330,

When can we expect an aircraft order from MEA or the dry leases or brand new planes like MEA's existing 3 A330s (which are leased from ILFC)?

Rather than the temporary wet leases that you mentioned.

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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:47 am

MEA330,

Do you think they will bring in more planes only on short term leases? If true, this means there's no real intention for expansion.
I think with potential increase in capacity, they'll need more planes.

Also, the A330-300 can serve MEA's needs in regards to range. The capacity might be a problem though, only a few months ago the largest plane in the fleet was a single A300 and that's still smaller than the A332.
 
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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 6:43 am

Well,

Nothing on the schedules indicates that MEA will be adding any flights other than DUS, CPH and the additional frequencies to DXB.

I doubt the A333 is a candidate to be considered at this point. The A332 is capable of reaching YUL non-stop and is more than fine for the GRU with the one stop in DKR.

And if MEA does fly to YUL, it will create some space on the A332's that they fly to LHR and CDG. So, the additional spae would not be needed.

Having said that, if MEA does change its strategy from trying to fill seats by offering little capacity on some routes (an example here would be FRA.. three flights a week during winter with an A320 or A2321), they could start boosting service and offer connections to other points in the Middle East. But that's not in the cards at this point. (At least their summer schdeules suggest so).

to sum all, MEA will stick to the A332
 
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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:42 pm

Can someone confirm that the A332 can make it all the way to YUL at max payload? I don't know much about ranges, but BEYYUL is a long trip, no?
 
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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:05 am

It's all about guessing,whether the 4 aircrafts that MEA321 mentioned are to be leased only during the summer,or even brand new,which I highly doubt because we should've heard an official announcement by now.
The 332 should be fine for MEA,though the Paris & London sectors are usually packed with pax..
We need to wait for the summer schedule to clarify the idea & confirm 100% the newly proposed routes,especially those to Cotonou,Conackry...
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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:02 am

The A330-200 can easily make it to YUL from BEY and fly another 1000 miles following the great circle route.

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RE: Why Doesn't MEA Consider The A330-300?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:55 am

Thanks guys for your feedback,

you convinced me that considering MEA's current strategy, the -200 is a better choice.

Concerning the summer lease, I think , as BA said, that the planes will be on wet lease (Possibly GMC, coz they have same aircraft type, the -243??)

And, depending on the success of the summer routes, they will have firm order or brand new leases (ILFC type like the F-OME*). Indeed, planes ordered by october or novembrer could be delivered for the start of the next summer season (2005).
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