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ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:02 am

I was just wondering.. I was looking at flights between SEA and HNL in March, and it appears that ATA is the cheapest at $424 RT.

I know that ATA operates both the 752 & 753. Does anyone know which it would be from SEA to HNL? I found only 1 picture of an AtA 75x in the database at HNL, and it was a 752.

Thanks!
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:09 am

i may be mistaken, but i heard a rumor that the 757-300s don't have ETOPS and therefore can't do the hawaii runs. i'm sure someone more knowledgeable about this topic will respond shortly.
 
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:13 am

I'm almost completely sure ATA operates the 753 from the West Coast to HNL, but I am dubious about SEA.

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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:16 am

You might be able to call their Reservations center and find out for sure....
 
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:19 am

Gigneil -

Why are you dubious about SEA? What would differentiate SEA from other West Coast cities?
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:19 am

Nevermind...just found this....

Seattle to Honolulu on MAR 3

Select Flight Leaving From Going To Meal Stops Aircraft
City Time City Time
1 921 Seattle (SEA) 5:25PM Honolulu (HNL) 9:30PM L Non-Stop 752

Same flight everyday...
 
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:23 am

OK.. thanks Syncmaster, I appreciate it.

I'm still wondering why Gigneil would seperate SEA out from the others.

[Edited 2004-01-11 20:23:52]
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:24 am

Yes, its a 752. And yes, ATA operates lots of 753 from the west coast to Hawaii. 4 flights daily from what I can find.
SFO-HNL....2 daily...1 753, 1 752
SFO-OGG...daily 753
LAX-HNL...daily 753
LAX-OGG...daily 753

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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:25 am

BCAInfoSys-

Market size relative to capacity would be a starter. SFO and LAX are much larger markets, and much larger markets for ATA even more specifically.

I verified. ATA operates the 753 from both LAX and SFO, and an additional 752 departure from SFO. Only the one 752 flight from SEA.

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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:37 am

PHX and SEA are host to the two newest (and smallest) West Coast - Hawaii runs, hence the smaller B757-200 (now with 200 seats -- 16 less than before).

LAX and SFO both host to well established Hawaii service (formerly on the L1011), hence the relatively larger (still smaller than the L10) B757-300 with 247 seats predominates these routes.

I think you'd really enjoy yourself to Hawaii from Seattle on ATA; especially in March. The run will be about a month in service when you fly and it is bound to be rather empty by Hawaii flight standards. You'll get a meal, a great deal, and superb "Pleasant Hawaiian" service. You may wish to check and see if Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays is selling blocks of seats SEA-HNL and compare their price to that of ATA proper.

joe

[Edited 2004-01-11 21:06:36]
 
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:41 am

Jjbiv -

Thanks for the heads-up on Pleasant Holidays! They have some really great specials, but with a very small window in January. I'll continue researching this option though. Thanks!
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 6:43 am

As someone who lives in Honolulu, TZ does fly both 752s and 753s into HNL. The last time I saw an L-1011 was on a military charter going straight to Hickam AFB.
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:43 am

The B-757-300's do have ETOPS and did right out of the box. They have even been doing some military charters as well as schedule service. The -300's seats are the new leather seats that are in the B-737 and in my opinion are some of the nicest coach seats on the market. The seats in the -200's are being changed out slow but sure. A little FYI- watch out for the B-737-800 to start Hawaii service in the not too distant furture.
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:33 pm

From what I have heard Pleasant Holidays isn't block selling seats on the SEA-HNL run. It is 100% ATA.

The evening HNL from here in SFO is the same way - no PH seats.

The SEA run will be a continuation of a MDW-SEA flight.

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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:56 pm

TZSFO-
I wondered if the evening flight was a PHH flight or not so how are the loads on the evening HNL run being that there is no PHH block? Also how are the loads on the EWR run?
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:02 pm

EWR is doing well.

The evening HNL has it's spikes and drops - but hold pretty steady as well.

It's nice to have all this flying out of our station!

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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:20 pm

TZSFO. I hear that ATA is not doing well with EWR with the avergare flight load being 50 people? During the Holidays it was packed of course but now and before not so full. Is ATA going to add more out of SFO or are they done?
 
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:26 pm

TZ

Thanks for the info, glad to hear ATA at SFO is doing well on the new flights.
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 2:44 pm

Well without giving too much away - let's just say that EWR is holding it's own.

As far as further expansion - The rumor that we hear is to look for more growth this year. Our station (SFO) had 60% seat growth in the last year. The rumor is for us to be prepared for more. But nobody has said when or where....so we are kind of in the dark.

My top guess for a new route out of SFO was BOS - but HP jumped in that market. I don't look for us to enter there.

So I sit here in my office and just wait for an announcement......

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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 2:45 pm

True the SFO-EWR flights aren't doing well. CO runs several more flights a day, with bigger aircraft, than we do. CO has a bigger customer base on this route than we do, so I believe that we have our work cut out to steal some of that customer base. I'm glad to see that SFO is doing well with the new flights. I hope to see some new destinations out of SFO in the next few years. Congrats to the SFO agents out there keep up the excellent work!!!

Who knows, some where down the line in the future Chicago Express may set up some regional operations and help feed you more passengers!
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:01 pm

You are right about CO running a ton of flights here is the daily totals for all carriers on the route (this doesn't count the TON of carriers flying the SFO-JFK route...like 11 more daily flights)-

UA - 3 daily 2 752 and 1 320
CO - 7 daily 2 757, 2 737-700 and 4 737-800
TZ - 2 daily 1 753 and 1 738

Now of these three carriers TZ has an advantage in the CASM area. It simply costs us less to fly our passengers. Especially on EWR flights - remember SFO cut landing costs in half for a carrier that opened a new route in the last half of 2003. UA and CO didn't get these cuts becasue they were just adding service on an existing routes.
So to summarize, it may be possible for a 50% load factor to make money for TZ, while UA and CO see red with 70%.

Just my $0.02

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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Mon Jan 12, 2004 10:36 pm

I like that $0.02. It seems to make sense (mind the pun) I think that ATA is really building up to fill a void where USAir will leave off, hence the 8 additional 757's with no real clear plans to use them for more than spares. That is my guess.
 
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RE: ATA 757's Into HNL

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:46 pm

I work for ATA at Chicago MDW. I checked and it is a 757-200 from SEA to HNL.
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