Derico
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Sanitation On Board Airliners

Sun Jan 16, 2000 12:27 pm

I think this is such a major part of aviation, yet one that I have rarely seen being talked about.
With all these diseases around the world right now, I was wondering what are the procedures airlines take in order to prevent the spread of disease from a infected region of the world into a "clean" region? For example, you have a flu epidemic in Europe,U.S, & Canada, yellow fever cases in Brazil, Tuberculosis in Mexico (which has now spread to the U.S), cholera in Central America, & of course many diseases coming from Africa,
What steps do airlines take in order to prevent carrying these diseases to other parts of the world? How often are airplanes fumigated? Thanks.
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RE: Sanitation On Board Airliners

Sun Jan 16, 2000 12:54 pm

I used to work as an aircraft groomer many years ago. I can tell you from that experience that nothing is done to prevent disease transmission. In fact, the airline I worked for, I won't say who it was, (Canadian Airlines) usually didn't even supply the cabin groomers with disinfectant for the lavatories. Sometimes we had a disinfectant in the spray bottles, but most times they had none and were just filled with tap water. I mentioned this to my supervisor and was told to mind my own business. I can't tell you how unsavory it was for me to be wiping down a lavatory sink and toilet rim with tap water. On a flight from Winnipeg that was bad enough. But I would recoil at the thought of having to do one of their DC-10s from a ten-hour flight from South America. Some of the poor migrants on those flights had never even used a toilet before. You can imagine how confused they must have been in an aircraft lavatory.
As far as insects carrying communicable diseases, you just take your chances. There is nothing to stop plague-carrying lice or fleas from coming onboard the aircraft from countries that have them. Many airlines used to have disposable head liners on each headrest, but you don't really see that much anymore. Three cents is a lot to an airline bean counter. And those three cents wouldn't stop tropical disease-carrying mosquitos anyway. I can remember one time on a 747 from a South American country, I noticed an insect buzzing around when I opened one of the overhead luggage bins. Normally, that wouldn't mean anything. But considering that it was mid-winter in Canada, I can assure you that this insect didn't have a passport nor immunization papers.

Now I do know that lavatory garbage from international flights is supposed to be placed in red garbage bags indicating that it is a possible bio-hazard, and is supposed to be burned. Aside from that, I can tell you that the airline I worked for, over 10 years ago, did virtually nothing to combat the spread of infectious disease from one country to the next.

That was one of the many reasons I had for leaving. Hypochondriacs need not apply.

Hmmmm...
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Oh My God!

Sun Jan 16, 2000 1:07 pm

Are you telling me we all are flying planes full of crap?
And to think people are touching everything on board an aircraft...it is shocking not to hear more people getting sick...maybe this is one of the reasons airlines don't care, they just don't see anyone being infected by any disease.
Now, I can tell you this. In some flights going into Argentina from other south american countries (it depends on the airline or sometimes it is just random, don't ask me why) the FA's would go up & down the cabin spraying something. The announcement said this was to prevent tropical diseases or insects from leaving the plane & carring diseases that in Argentina don't exist (like malaria, yellow fever, cholera, although there was an epidemic of cholera in northern Argentina that came from Peru & Bolivia thru the contaminated water of rivers) because most of Argentina is not tropical at all, only the northern parts are, but even these areas are pretty safe at don't have the tropical diseases you see elsewhere in Latin America, & they want to keep it that way.
WOW! Next time I board a plane, I might use gloves!
Thanks for the bad news! (I hope this was only Canadian, but I have a feeling that if the Canadians, who are amongst the cleanest people in the world, allow this to happen, just imagine most everyone else...yuck!)
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RE: Oh My God!

Sun Jan 16, 2000 1:18 pm

Well, he said this stuff took place ten years ago, maybe it has changed?? I sure hope so, that is just gross! I will be totaly paranoied the next time i fly!!! Ewwwwww!
 
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Derico

Sun Jan 16, 2000 1:50 pm

The spray is to kill nasty insects that could be carrying diseases not native to the destination country.
The moral of this sanitation story is to wash your hands after going to the toilet, then you'll be OK!
 
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RE: Derico

Sun Jan 16, 2000 2:45 pm

When i flew to australia they practicaly fumigated the cabin before landing to stop the spread of desease in australia.

Do u know that americans is advertising that they are now wiping their tray tables clean after each flight. I cant believe they are just now doing this!

In order to try to sanitize my seat, i always wipe the tray table, armrests, and video screen(American first class video screens are sometimes touch screens) with the moist towlet that the stewardeses give you before the first meal is served. this sounds crazy but most of the time the tan armwrest are so dirty that they are blackish.
 
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RE: Sanitation On Board Airliners

Sun Jan 16, 2000 3:00 pm

Yeah, Australia is very isolated, so they want to keep any diseases from the other continents from coming in. I have been told they do this on many flights. I sure don't blame them, countries must do whatever it takes to be as safe as possible.
I am really very surprised so few measures are taken to desinfect aircraft (aside from cleaning). But this reminds me of the way they clean the tables at Mcdonalds, or any other fast food: They just simplt wipe with a moist towel, regarless of how dirty the towel or table are!!
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United Airlines

Sun Jan 16, 2000 3:02 pm

I dont know if u guys have seen this comercial but in argentina united has a comercial that shows a 747 wearing a mask(you know thoses ones that doctors wear) and then it says "Unites airlines is proud to say that the air on it's new airplanes is 99.9% bacteria free" or something like that.

 
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Remember AeroPeru?

Sun Jan 16, 2000 3:05 pm

It was on an Aeroperu flight that the cholera epidemic of 1990 got to Buenos Aires, people on board became sick, after that, hell broke loose for about a year, adds on TV talking about cleaning everything. Cholera is still reported regularly in Peru & Bolivia, but in Argentina it is pretty much gone.
 
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Aerolineas Argentinas 1992

Sun Jan 16, 2000 5:35 pm


O.K. you guys I don't know if you remember this, but I actually taped this back in 1992.

You see Aerolineas Argentinas used to fly the: Buenos Aires - Lima - Mexico city -Los Angeles with a 747-200. After the flight stopped at Lima, food was loaded on board for the passengers on the next segments to Mexico and Los Angeles. Well, after the passengers deplaned in Los Angeles many of them went into the hospital for Cholera which was at it's worst point back then. Aerolineas received such bad publicity over this that it decided to cut Lima from the Buenos Aires - Los Angeles route.

Aerolineas doesn't fly this lucrative route anymore.



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Yes, I Remember

Sun Jan 16, 2000 9:27 pm

Another mistake by AR. A no brainer, if an area of the world is suffering terribly from any disease or virus, try to avoid products from that area. I do remember hearing on TV about this flight. Just goes to show that everything AR could do wrong, it did.
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RE: Sanitation On Board Airliners

Sun Jan 16, 2000 9:51 pm

Hey all

another thing you have to be aware of is the airconditioning. That spreads the most diseases. When someone is sick on board, mostly bacteria are spread by air. And what is in airconditioning....right air.

I've heard that on a flight there was a passenger that had TBC. The passenger flew first class. The passenger coughs and the bacteria's are spread around. Through the airconditioning it will spread all around the aircraft. And a couple of passengers were infected with TBC. All economy passengers.

So don't be scared of the toilet. Be scared of the airconditioning.

Regards
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Wwwaa? (Wonder & Worry...What About American?

Sun Jan 16, 2000 10:13 pm

Before that, I thought of this:
AeroPeru & Aerolineas Argentinas, while partially responsible for their mistakes, can't take the blame totally. Obviously, the cattering company (companies) in Peru that provided this food to these planes have to te held responsible as well.

But what about American? I mean, lately, they really have showned they care about the SAFETY of their passengers....NOT!!!! From hand granades, to rifles, ammunitions, drug dealing, white powder in the coffee of pilots, drunk FA's, toxic materials in commercial planes, & on & on. If they did all this, just imagine how much they much care about health safety. Reminder that American flies to destinations from Miami that have dubious health standards, or are in tropical areas, so the first place that would see any contagion of disease would be Miami.
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RE: Sanitation On Board Airliners

Mon Jan 17, 2000 12:11 am

I think the recycled air is more dangerous in terms of spreading diseases than anything else on the plane.

This fall six Royal Airlines FA's got TB after working a flight caring refugees from Kosovo. Some refugees were diagnosed with TB after they arrived to Canada.

I flew from BGI to MIA last week and noticed a lot of PAX especially senior citizens were wearing masks. It looked funny but I don't think it really helps to prevent bacteria from entering the body in airplane environment

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RE: Sanitation On Board Airliners

Mon Jan 17, 2000 7:15 am

My personal favourite observation (Not!) is watching people on long haul flights walking around the aircraft in their bare feet, to the point of going into the lavs with bare feet. Someone above used the expression "Ewwwww!"

Ditto.

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