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Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:58 am

I was considering a trip but was taken back as it seems there are no direct flights form anywhere in Hawaii to Tahiti.

Any reason why that would not exist? I mean, they are relatively close.
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:00 am

I thought HA had service there?
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:06 am

HA #481 departs HNL for PPT on Saturdays at 6:05PM, arriving at 11:45PM. The aircraft returns to HNL as HA #482 departing at 1:05AM, arriving at 6:35AM Sunday.
 
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:08 am

HA does serve Tahiti from HNL, at least according to my latest Hana Hoi inflight mag....
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:17 am

They're actually not all that close. HNL is closer to LAX than it is to PPT, by almost 200 miles. Yes, there are cultural/historical ties that go back a long time, but not a whole lot of tourism, visiting friends/relatives, or business traffic between the two. So it's not all that surprising that each island group has far more flights to the U.S. mainland and to Australasia than to the other.
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:23 am

NZ used to have flights between HNLPPT way back..now there just isnt the demand anymore.
Most Hawaiians take vacations to the mainland..esp. LAS apparently.
Visitors to Hawaii are mostly Japanese and Americans and they tend to not combine hawaii and tahiti in the same trip. For those that want 1 week in each that is why the HA once weekly flight exists.
Despite the "historical" links between Hawaii and Tahiti there is no more desire for local travel or VFR travel between the 2 - most Tahitians go to US, France and Australia.

I am sure if there was demand then Air NZ would continue to fly the route. In fact there are not many intra-pacific flights anymore - no US carriers fly HNL to Oz,NZ, Pacific like in the past. Few flights on NZ anymore as well.

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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:35 am

I understand the weekly HA flight does do fairly OK with cargo, although I don't think the pax cabin is often full.
 
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:46 am

When I was in Tahiti, I talked to a group of people that were visiting from Hawaii. I thought this a bit strange since they're very similiar...they told me they liked Tahiti because it was like the "old" Hawaii.
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:50 am

Last November or December, Air Tahiti Nui chartered 3 flights PPT-HNL-PPT with their A343. Any info ??
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:55 am

This is directed to AlekToronto about your comment that "Most Hawaiians take vacations to the mainland...esp LAS."

You should word your comments better than that than to use "Most Hawaiians." Because Hawaii is made up of many ehtnicities. Unless you are referreing to the residents OF Hawaii. I take offense to this comment.



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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:07 am

When I was in Tahiti, I talked to a group of people that were visiting from Hawaii. I thought this a bit strange since they're very similiar...they told me they liked Tahiti because it was like the "old" Hawaii.

They do seem similar, don't they? The islands of Polynesia cover a vast area ranging from New Zealand to Easter Island and share elements of a cultural history, but when you compare each island chain, differences certainly emerge. What I wouldn't give to travel throughout Oceania. I travel to HNL fairly often and have also visited Australia, but my interest lies in Pacific archaeology -- I'm eager to see much more of Polynesia and Micronesia in the coming years.
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:16 am

FLIBOYZ
I am offended by the Political Correctness Police. (that is the one thing that gets me going).
As someone that has been to Hawaii over 20 times I take great offence that you would suggest that i "re-word" my comment.
I am very well aware that there are many different ethnic groups in Hawaii. What shall I call residents of Hawaii in your PC world?
I guess if I say Californians or Texans you would be offended as well? as I have not included the 100 different ethnic groups that live there?

chill out..
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:28 am

FLIBOYZ, I have to back up Alek here...it's pretty well documented that Hawaiians (as in residents of Hawaii) like to go to LAS on vacation. In fact, it may very well be the single most popular tourist destination from Hawaii. And the term "Hawaiian" is frequently used to refer to residents of the state, regardless of ethnic group--at least that's the first meaning that comes to mind when I see it. It's like saying "New Yorkers like to go to Florida." Yes, "Hawaiian" can also mean "native Hawaiian" people, but I thought it was pretty clear that that wasn't his meaning.

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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:34 am

Hmm, thanks fellas. I will look more closely. Orbitz didn;t give me any non directs available.
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:52 am

As a recently-former RESIDENT of Hawaii let me assure you that "Hawaiian" definitely should NOT be used to describe all people that LIVE in Hawaii!

This is a very sensitive cultural and political issue that should not even be approached by people that don't know what they are talking about!

"Hawaiian" means a descendant of the native Hawaiian people. Even native-born caucasians are not "Hawaiian". Seriously, this is a BIG deal in Hawaii!

I lived there a few years but I am sure that someone with a much better understanding of this can give even better, more detailed information.

My point is that, like other racial/cultural themes, the "Hawaiian" issue is a very complex and touchy one. Lots of important historical context that should not be taken lightly.
 
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:11 am

Ok, so ideally one should say that "Kamaainas like to go to Vegas on vacation." Just like ideally one should spell the name of the state "Hawai'i." But unfortunately most people outside of Hawaii have never heard the word "kamaaina," much less know what one is, and no one outside of Hawaii is ever taught to write "Hawai'i." So, although it may be a huge faux pas in Hawaii, in the rest of the world "Hawaiian" is understood to mean "residents of Hawaii."

The more important point is, no one meant any offense here, and FLIBOYZ's response was a bit strong.
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:30 am

I knew what you meant Alex. This PC is getting out of hand I think. So we should say that the caucasoids from California like to visit Hawaii. Or would it be easier to say Californians like to travel to Hawaii. California has more diverse population then Hawaii.

Back to the subject. I think traffic wise, one flight a week is enough between HNL-PPT. I know there are more flights from HNL to Raro Tonga, Samoa and Fiji.
 
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Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:06 am

I'm sorry y'all, but you can't expect everyone to know that Hawaians are native people from Hawai only.
Californians live in CA, Texans live in TX, Dutch live in The Netherlands, and so on. Have a bit of patience with those people and please, next time, explain in a polite manner how the word Hawaian should be used.
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:26 am

As a non-Hawaiian whose family has been in Hawaii for over 120 years, I refer to my self as, "a person from Hawai'i" or "Kamaaina." I have NEVER nor will I ever refer to myself as Hawaiian because it is a race or people. When I am at school here in California, people often refer to me as a Hawaiian and I correct them and explain to them that though I am from Hawai'i I am not Hawaiian. Californians or Texans are NOT races from those states so obviously refer simply to residents.

To people from Hawai'i this is a pretty big deal, as it boils down to the immense respect people in Hawai'i have for other cultures. I do not take offense to being called Hawaiian, I would rather not be called that and hope that people, like anyone reading this now, understands why and will not refer to anyone living in Hawai'i as a Hawaiian. If anyone wants me try explain this better I'll give it a shot.

To the topic, Hawaiian Airlines has been flyign HNL-PPT for many years and contnues to, so I would assume that the flight does reasonably well for them.

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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:34 am

Thank you, Aloha73g, for the excellent clear explanation. That makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, as I mentioned above and as you confirmed, it is quite common for people on the mainland to refer to Kamaainas as "Hawaiian." However, I understand that it is a sensitive issue and I will do my best to avoid improper use of the word in the future.

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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:43 am

In the 80's there was an airline called South Pacific Island Air that operated
707's from HNL to PPT, and HNL to ANC, and a few other places like Guam and Samoa. I think they were shut down because of horrendous safety violations.
 
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:06 am

I don't think the the original post involving the word "Hawaiians" was referring to the race of people native to the islands, but the general population of Hawaii. It's just like saying many Americans go to Europe. This is not a racial issue. Yes, there is a weekly HA flight HNL-PPT.
 
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:42 am

I don't think the the original post involving the word "Hawaiians" was referring to the race of people native to the islands, but the general population of Hawai'i.

We know that, we are just saying that "Hawaiians" is absolutely the incorrect word to describe all the people in Hawai'i. I don't expect everyone to know everything about everyone else, but discussions like this one can be informative for people who may not know what is actually going on. I have learned a lot in this forum about all kinds of different things and think the diversity of the people in here gives us all an opportunity to learn a lot.

Also, I just remembered that few years back Hawaiian operated a charter for a cruise company from LAX to Tahiti. That was cancelled when the cruise company went bankrupt I think. Hawaiian also flies weekly to American Samoa.

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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:55 am

Ramme: "Have a bit of patience with those people and please, next time, explain in a polite manner how the word Hawaian should be used."

I don't want to get even more off-topic than we have but I hope you are not suggesting that my response was other-than "polite". I WAS trying to "explain how the word should be used."

I specifically said that it is a complex issue and that it can be difficult to understand for people that are not from Hawaii. (And I included myself.)

As far as I can tell the information I provided was nearly identical to what our friend Aloha73G explained...

Just want to defend myself against a perceived (?) charge of being "impolite".
 
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:24 pm

Mirrodie,

Try checking http://www.hawaiianair.com/ directly. Make sure your departure date from HNL is a Saturday, and your departure date from PPT is a Sunday.

I tried Orbitz, and it did come up. You just have to make sure you're putting in the days that the flight operates.

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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:27 pm

Even further off topic... the book "The Shoal of Time" gives a very good glimpse as to why this is a very sensitive topic in Hawai'i. Most people don't realize that there are more people of Hawaiian descent living in California than Hawai'i.

 
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:52 pm

I only browed the non topic replies here and was surprised at the non av discussion ensuing.

I don;t think any ill-will was meant when the term "Hawaiians" was used. It is comparable to saying "New Yorkers."


Please stay back on topic. Thanks

Darn it. That is tough having that Saturday night and Sunday only flight. We'll see how it goes. THanks guys.

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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:10 pm

I flew from HNL to PPT back in 1977 via LAX because, as today, there were only one or two direct flights a week. I think one was PanAm, the other may have been Air New Zealand or UTA.

(I flew on a CO DC-10, with the golden tail, from HNL to LAX, then a UTA DC-10 to PPT)

Another interesting thing is that many people think Tahiti is west of Hawaii, but it's really a tad east (and a great deal south, of course).

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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:34 pm

So, umm, just to clarify, if you are from the state of Hawai'i (it is a state right?), then how are voters/the general public of that state referred to? This is insane. PC mega-overload, again.

Anyway, from what I understand, the NZ inter-pacific flights were actually quite profitable for a while due to the amount of freight carried, and the lack of competition on these routes. But I guess things changed.
 
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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:36 pm

Hawaiian Airlines does indeed fly to Tahiti and it is a great destination for many who live in Hawaii.


When you refer to people from Hawaii anywhere in the world you refer to them as Hawaiians. This is the name for the population that resides in Hawaii.

When you refer to people of Hawaiian ethnicity, you may refer to them as Native Hawaiians or just simply Hawaiians.

This is from the offices of the Congressional delegation from the State of Hawaii and from my Kapuna (elders).

The Hawaiian language term for native Hawaiian is "Kanaka Maoli". And the term for Hawaiian is simply "Kanaka Hawai'i".

People twist the terms to suit their own "political" agenda.

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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:05 am

This weekends flight availability is HNL PPT still 5 business and 71 econony
PPT HNL 14 business and 146 economy


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RE: Why No Direct Flights From Hawaii To Tahiti?

Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:16 am

Thanks, Commander Rabb, for shedding more light on this. I am glad that people--including Congress, etc.--recognize the ambiguity of the term "Hawaiian," since it is clear from this discussion that many people outside of Hawaii refer to all residents of Hawaii as "Hawaiian" without meaning any insult to anyone.
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