ORD777
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Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:53 am

Just wondering... With JetBlue's rapid expansion of routes throughout the Country, do they have any plans of service to Chicago? If so, what routes do you think are most likely and when do you think they would consider coming to Chicago?
 
texan
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:01 am

They do plan to serve Chicago eventually. Caught Neeleman on TV in August (CSPAN, I think, speaking at the University of Chicago) saying that the 190s would allow B6 to expand throughout the midwest to cities like Chicago, Detroit and others. No time period was given, but Neeleman knows that B6 cannot afford to miss out on one of the biggest markets in the country.
Hope this helps

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bistro1200
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:34 am

I hope UA and AA drive this tick out of ORD like DL drove them out of ATL.

LCCs: Less pay, fewer cities.
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InnocuousFox
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:05 am

For any sort of long-term expansion, they will have to include the top destinations in the country. That, of course, includes places like Chicago. What will the routes be? Well, obviously to any other hub on the system... JFK and LGB (or elsewhere in SoCal by that time?) for starters.

As for Bistro1200... I suspect you would prefer nostalgia to service.
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scottysair
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:10 am

Not for quite while with jetBlue will not begin nonstop to ORD into the future and I already saw before for the post many times and you were told us about of jetBlue want go to ORD or MDW. If I can hear get with the news for next few year and until EMB-190 will flying there, too.
 
jetbluefan1
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:50 am

I hope UA and AA drive this tick out of ORD like DL drove them out of ATL.

So you want to pay $400 for a round-trip flight to New York City, and $1,200 for a walk-up? Sure, why not.

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wedgetail737
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:16 am

A year or two ago, I thought Jetblue's next focus city was going to be ORD, provided that they could get decent gate space. Obviously, that hasn't happened.
 
B6FA4ever
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:39 am

so far from what i've heard its still the same story about not enough gate space. my feeling is that when we do begin service (and more than likely it'll be ORD)...it'll be like how BOS was w/ a big expansion out of there.

sorta off topic but w/ the currents cities we have...i could see flights from ORD to:
MCO, LGB, OAK, FLL, JFK

only bad thing is that pretty much any city we fly out of ORD to wil be head-on w/ SW. only time will tell!

~B6FA4ever
 
navairjax
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:47 am

With routes that are matched by WN the key to B6 suceeding in Chicago would be service from ORD vice MDW. Of course gate space is a problem so maybe they can acquire the US gates if that airline goes to the fate which so many predict.
 
B6FA4ever
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:59 am

anyone know how many gates US Airways has at ORD? where are they located at the airport?

~B6FA4ever
 
bistro1200
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:06 pm

No, I am an airline employee first and a passenger second. The staff at the majors is better trained, has more years of experience, and is better paid overall (for the most part... the last few years have been pretty bad).

Show me JetBlue's training center and Sim bays, with top world airlines coming to train from them. Show me jetBlue's maintenance center, where complete engine rebuilds are done. Let's see your engineering center, that is authorized by the FAA to design and manufacture parts for aircraft and complete performance data for aircraft operations.

You may speak as a passenger, but I speak as a staff member. I have better pay, benefits, and flight benefits on my "legacy" carrier than I could ever hope for at a LCC. And I have worked at an LCC, now I make twice as much doing the same job, and it was a shock to learn of all the things that were ignored while working at an LCC (NOTAMs, fuel policy, field reports, etc).

Yeah that seat may cost you just $400, but think about the things you're NOT paying for!
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navairjax
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:14 pm

US has two gates at Terminal 2 (concourse F) and seeing that there are only two gates that B6 has at BOS a similar schedule could work.
 
elwood64151
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:23 pm

LCCs: Less pay, fewer cities.

You complain, but the fact is, they are the wave of the future, and if the majors don't catch up, they'll go the way of Bethlehem Steel and AMC Motors.

If the LCCs weren't providing a service people wanted, they wouldn't stick around.

No, I am an airline employee first and a passenger second. The staff at the majors is better trained, has more years of experience, and is better paid overall

Only the last part of your statement is true. That's the problem, and the reason why so many majors are losing money as LCCs rake it in. LCC employees are just as likely to be industry veterans as legacy employees are to be relative novices. I could back this up with facts, but I'm just too tired to go look them up.

Show me JetBlue's training center and Sim bays, with top world airlines coming to train from them. Show me jetBlue's maintenance center, where complete engine rebuilds are done. Let's see your engineering center, that is authorized by the FAA to design and manufacture parts for aircraft and complete performance data for aircraft operations.

Why do it yourself when you can pay someone else to do it for less money?

and it was a shock to learn of all the things that were ignored while working at an LCC (NOTAMs, fuel policy, field reports, etc).

Which LCC were you working for that all this was ignored? Fuel policy? That's just dangerous! Even at Vanguard, with a fairly small staff, we kept this stuff in tip-top shape!

As for the original post, I don't think the question should be "will" B6 fly to Chicago, but rather when and to which airport will they fly? I agree with the above posts that they probably want ORD, but that gate space will be the deciding factor.
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Mexicana757
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:01 pm

If JetBlue does decide to add Chicago as one of their routes, I see them flying out of ORD. Don't forget that ATA has major operations in Chicago (MDW) and not just Southwest. So some of the routes will go head on with TZ also.

If B6 does decide to fly into ORD, expect AA and UA to be ready and have some plans to fight. Don't forget that Spirit Airlines also flies to some destination in Florida our ORD. Where I assume B6 would want to add some flights out of ORD.
 
CactusA319
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:08 pm


B6 had been negotiating with the City of Chicago for gate space at ORD last year. However gate space is at a real premium at the airport right now. B6 doesn't want to start at MDW because of the lack of gate space at the new facility (ATA and SWA took most of the new gates) as well as the large amount of low-fare competition present. They would be better at ORD where there is only one true LCC (Spirit). Hopefully more gate space will open soon, either by subtraciton of an airline or rearangement of gate assignements.

 
MAH4546
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:09 pm

For any sort of long-term expansion, they will have to include the top destinations in the country.

No they won't. Southwest does not fly to New York City (Islip does not cut it), and they do just fine.
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B6FA4ever
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:19 pm

Thanx Cactus...i completely forgot about ATA being in Chicago. wow...that would be quite a fight there...if we go to ORD then AA and UA will put up a very good fight...if we go to MDW then theres SW and ATA.

what about this...Can MKE be a possible alternative airport for the Chicagoland area? I know Midwest is there as well as Northwest. how big of an operation does NW and midwest have at MKE?

~B6FA4ever
 
LHR001
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:12 pm

If anything JetBlue will serve Midway. O'Hare would come under direct pressure with American Airlines and United Airlines. Both of which fend off competition at O'Hare rather well. Midway has ATA and Southwest who offered varied products. problem is that JetBlue is bringing a smaller aircraft type in and that means less seats and less traffic!

Don't forget that JetBlue is at capacity at Long Beach. they can only trade routes at this time!

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airportplan
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:13 am

I was indirectly involved with this issue when B6 first approached Chicago DOA nearly two years ago. B6 would like to operate at ORD because they would be the primer LCC at the airport. B6 wants a minimum of two gates at ORD which is currently out of the question. ORD gates are like a hot stock the almost no one can obtain. Most airports would love to have this problem. Virtually of the domestic gates are under lease agreements through 2017. Whenever a new domestic carrier want to operate at ORD they generally must sublease gate space from an incumbent carrier at an exorbitant rate. They also must schedule around the incumbent carrier's own operations. B6 doesn't want to do this. The alternative to this is to operate at the international terminal which has no space during the European Banks which last roughly from noon till six in the evening. Initially Chicago tried to steer B6 to MDW. But MDW is now doesn't have the gate space that B6 requires. Also B6 would face very strong competition from WN and TZ who operate nearly ninety percent of the flights at MDW. The city also tried to steer them to Gary but they shot down this idea.
 
nycfuturepilot
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Wed Jan 14, 2004 9:21 am

I think i've written this about 5 times so far but ill do it again lol. In an interview this summer, Jeff Neeleman said that he is very interested in ORD but not at all interested in MDW.
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md80spirit
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RE: Will JetBlue Ever Come To Chicago?

Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:59 pm

Spirt serves ORD and has done well. I see them going to JFK maybe, but cites in floirda, L. A & Vegas would put them in direct competition with a LCC (i.e spirit)

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