JC5280
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UA With WN-style Flights?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:25 am

I noticed something in the current UA schedule. Check these UA flights out....


1254 TUS-DEN-DSM-ORD-CLE
1298 HDN-DEN-DFW-ORD-BDL
792 DEN-OMA-ORD-DAY
446 DEN-DFW-ORD-CLT
576 BIL-DEN-MCI-ORD-PIT
791 DEN-IAH-ORD-IND

Almost all are 737s, but a few are Airbuses.

I have not seen this kind of through-flight activity before. Other than the usual one stop stuff such as BOS-LAX-KOA, MCO-ORD-DEN and DEN-LAX-HNL.

Anyone else think this is wierd?
 
Bicoastal
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:31 am

This isn't unusual at all. If you'll notice every other stop is a United hub. This is what they've been doing for years...hub and spoke....and losing money, unfortunately.
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sprxflySWA
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:34 am

I used to like the SFO-RNO-EKO-ELY-SLC-DEN route. I wonder if the fare was same as nonstop SF-DEN flight?

Saves on flight number usage as well.
 
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:34 am

That's not entirely true. Here in OMA, we are directly between DEN and ORD. Everything that comes from DEN goes back. Everything that comes from ORD goes back. I was shocked to see OMA listed above... this MAY be something new.
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FA4UA
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:43 am

One way for UA to save money on cleaning is by numbering as many flights in this manner as possible. The flight attendants are responsible for tidying the aircraft if it's a through flight. If it's an terminating flight no cleaning is required by our contract.

This saves thousands of dollars a year on cleaning expenses.

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InnocuousFox
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:25 am

So the plane gets cleaned by someone else on a terminating flight?

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FA4UA
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 11:53 am

Exactly InnocuousFox. At smaller stations the customer service reps come onboard and clean, at larger stations and hubs we have cleaning staff that comes onboard.

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bistro1200
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:24 pm

Also it appears in a GDS as a point-to-point flight with stops, like WN does out of PHX (PHX-MCI-MDW-CLE). Kind of like getting two birds with one stone.
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UALPHLCS
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:21 pm

Actually I think that the flight numbering explaination is more correct. As UA has ramped up the UA/US codeshare we went from codeshare numbers 2000-2999 to 1800-3999. Now even 1700 to 3999. Many mainline UA flights were in the 1700s and 1800s. UA always had a ORD-PHL 1776 (get it). Now that number is a US codeshare number. With those numbers used, more and more flight numbers continue on after they reach a hub. There is a BOS-BOI with 3 stops. BOS-ORD-DFW-DEN-BOI, probably the same routing for the aircraft it always had but now the airplane keeps the flight number all the way through.
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rj777
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:10 pm

InnocuousFox
I think a lot of airlines have underestimated OMA. We need More LCC interest, like AirTran, JetBlue, Spirit, etc.
 
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:07 am

"I think a lot of airlines have underestimated OMA. We need More LCC interest, like AirTran, JetBlue, Spirit, etc."

There has been talk for a number of months about trying to lure another carrier here. I'm thinking it may very well be AirTran,Alaska or Horizon.
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JC5280
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:29 pm

Bicoastal....

Yes UA has done the hub and spoke structure for years, and through flights, but not at this caliber. Through flights in the past were two segments usually with a hub in between...and/or those long International flights. That is common. These examples are not common. Even my friends at UA were suprised to see these examples.

The FA cleaning thing is interesting. I never thought of that as a possible reason.
 
InnocuousFox
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:55 am

"I never thought of that as a possible reason."

It's like more of a fringe-benefit thing than a reason.
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potomac
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:08 am

seems like its an aircraft utilization issue too, right? rather than have one plane go DEN-OMA and sit there until it's arrival bank time for OMA-DEN, and then have another plane do ORD-OMA and wait to go back to ORD, you have it timed so both can leave sooner as the returns legs to the hubs - different from the one they came from.
 
InnocuousFox
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:00 am

That doesn't make a lot of sense... instead of the DEN-OMA flight waiting for the return to a bank time in DEN, you would just end up waiting to match the bank time for ORD instead. In fact, since a hub system works best with the feeders that are an average distance from the hub (which OMA is for both ORD and DEN) it isn't hard to have them go out together and come back together.
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potomac
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RE: UA With WN-style Flights?

Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:05 am

it makes sense if the return trip to ORD - according to the arrival bank at ORD - warrants a departure earlier than one back to DEN.

i think UA and other carriers who serve more than 1 hub from a particular destination do this quite often, albeit usually with different flight numbers.

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