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TWA Needs To Join Alliance, Quick!

Sun Jan 16, 2000 2:24 pm

I think that if TWA does not join or create an alliance they will become bankrupt soon. I know they have a thing going with Royal Air Maroc, do you know if TWA has any plans about alliances???
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RE: TWA Needs To Join Alliance, Quick!

Mon Jan 17, 2000 4:33 am

TWA has or is forming alliances with Royal Jordanian and Kuwaiti Airlines. These are of limited scope, so I don't know how they are going to really benefit TWA enough to make any real difference in their future. Clearly they they are trying to form a strong middle eastern presence. But with Continental adding a second EWR-TLV nonstop after beginning the route only 5 months ago, while TWA still only has their one JFK-TLV flight, TWA's middle eastern market share is in jeopardy now and likely even more so in the future. Then what will TWA do? Where can they try to establish temselves next?
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RE: TWA Needs To Join Alliance, Quick!

Mon Jan 17, 2000 1:55 pm

Whatever TWA decides to do, I am behind them all the way. Call me a blind mouse or what you will. They have always treated me well on the 160,000+ miles I have flown with them.

The price of their stock has allowed me to buy quite a few shares lately. Whether they recover from the funk that they are in or get bought out, I stand to gain considerably.

I can say that I hope that my primary benefit is the abililty to continue to fly on an airline that I hold deep in my heart. If they cannot continue, well, I shall benefit financially.

Did all of you know that the first "Air Force One's" were flown by TWA pilots?
This was because, at the time, airline pilots has many more hours flying experience than military ones did. Just thought I would add that.
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Yes, Yes They Do...

Mon Jan 17, 2000 2:01 pm

TWA seems fairly confused to me. They codeshare with airlines such as Royal Air Maroc, Royal Jordanian, Kuwait Airways, but have no flights to Morocco, Jordan, or Kuwait! They need to add flights to these destinations to give their passengers the advantage of codesharing, by sharing the numbers of the flights beyond Marrakesh, Kuwait City, and Amman. Also, they need to find a European partner quickly, as they abandon more and more routes. With Delta vacating its spot in Swissair/Sabena's alliance (Atlantic Excellence?), maybe TWA could join that.

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TWA Alliances

Mon Jan 17, 2000 3:06 pm

The following is all opinion...

TWA currently operates 1-2 flights per day JFK-TLV and going to operate daily to CAI-RUH (up from x3 then x5 weekly) They have codeshares with Royal Jordainian, Royal Air Maroc, and Kuwait airlines. They have cooperative agreement and FF miles with Air India... I would expect them to grow in that market... Additionally they have had wonderful yield in the carribean which no one thought possible against AA...

I would expect to see continued growth out of SJU and into the MIDDLE EAST. I doubt they will resume service to INDIA again as load were abysmal in past but they have a code share to 3 indian cities with KU and RJ.

Additionally, they seem to be flirting with additional service to Mexico.

They hold a deferred route authority to Tokyo that they will probably try to start operating late this year if aircraft are available.

Additionally they applied for and received a slot at FRA starting March23 yet no announcement has been made regarding that service (Out of STL) would connect with KU service nicely and was slated to be operated with a 767-200 aircraft according to the filing.

As far as alliances go TWA is a high quality product suffering from a Karibu agreement that kills 45% of any and all yield associated with Global Discount Travel and, A number that is shockingly high.

Their costs are being rationalized but, a lot will depend on what happens with their Hanger 5/12 situation in JFK and the MCI overhaul base. They are still operating with the infrastructure of a mega carrier and large numbers of maint. intensive widebodies when they have a more efficent route structure and fleet.

Another note of interest on TWA is their unwillingness to join some of the more insane fare wars on some local markets during the last 2 months a good sign that someone is paying attention to the yield.. Yet they are playing in the coast to coast fare wars that are a real yield killer against Southwest.

Long Term expectations...

More Gulf/African codeshares/alliances
More TW expansion in caribbean
More TW seasonal service to Mexico and some increase year round
NRT service before the end of the year
More TW service in the Southeast (ie. CHS, GSP, PNS, AVL, GPT with RJ's or 717/dc-9
A TW alliance with a commuter on the west coast out of LAX,SAN,SFO,LAS,SJC,ONT,SNA to interior CA,NV,OR points
More TW service in the Pacific NW with a tie in and possible codeshare at PDX and SEA
Possible KOA service (757) to suppliment HNL and just announced OGG service. Yes you can make money if you limit FF seats on those routes..

I would expect a possible Air Europa alliance attempt again... TW tried to codeshare about 14 months ago but was denied.. With the pullout of MAD/BCN expect to see a codeshare replace that service sooner or later... Probably Air Europa but maybe another as Air Europa tends to try with everyone.. LOL

Lots more RJ flying from TWA coming soon...
15 jets with Chappaquitic (sp) and originally 2 with Trans States but already upped to 5... (10 more RJ options in SCOPE clause to go..)

Lots of nice new 717 service coming on line to places like MCI/ORD/TYS/MKE and more....

Statement... I do not work for TWA. I am stating opinions not facts. I am a former Pan Am employee (original PA not the reincarnations) I do work for a major aircraft leasing firm as an airline analyst and I do believe that TWA's oft cited demise is not reality... I think they will make it.. Their management is making all the right moves and their operational proformance is excellent.

My TWA joke.. Year 2050 there are 3 US flag carriers US Amerinted Airways and Continetal Northwestern Delta plus the third carrier a financially ailing TWA..

Have a nice day!