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Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:58 am

I know AS has always flown quite a bit of point to point, but their route structure really must rule the west coast. There are quite a bit of flight in their system that do not connect through the hubs. For instance:
YYC-LAX
RNO-LAX
SFO-LAX
OAK-SNA
SFO-Mexican Resort cities.
SMF-PSP
SFO-PSP
SUN-OAK
GEG-LAX

These are just some examples and some are operated by QX. There are more routes however that I didn't list. But it just amazes me how much point to point AS is now offering. For those of you interested in looking around for yourself (those of you who don't know) AS offers downloadable time tables like other airlines if your interested in browsing the schedules. Im also interested to know how many AS planes can be at LAX during some of their bussiest times of the day (Not sure if they use banks there) Any comments welcome!
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:09 am

Flyboy, we do use banks in LAX. We have 4 banks of flight in LAX to work with our Mexico flights. We also run a few flight in between banks.This morning at 10am I show 8 planes on the ground. Mostly going to Mexico. Point to Point is the wave of the future it seems and also avoids major problems if one of our hubs is down for weather. Just like this week when PDX was down and SEA was down we still had some major problems though. I can only see the point to point growing. You missed a few I though of on the top of my head.
SFO-TUS,SJC-TUS,SJC-BOI,SJC-PSP,YVR-PSP,LAS-YVR,PHX-YVR,YVR-ANC seasonal,some of these also are done by QX......look in the future at possible SFO-SAN,SFO-GEG,SFO-CUN.
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:19 am

look in the future at possible SFO-SAN,SFO-GEG,SFO-CUN

Please, please, PLEASE let us see more lift to and from CUN! One flight a day doesn't cut it in that market.

Especially for us nonrevs.  Big grin
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:25 am

EA CO AS: A two-part "true or false" question you may be able to answer:

At one time (2003 Winter-Spring schedule?) Alaska had planned for two daily flights each way LAX-CUN... or 3-4 weekly frequencies in addition to their daily roundtrip?
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:28 am

Does anyone know/guess if AS might ever try LAX-OAK? As for LAX-SFO there isn't much frequency on the route...
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:34 am

Hey R...Rumors are rampet here that we will see the SFO-CUN soon after the 739 gets the over water equipment in. Let me know the min. you here something. I'm actually going there next week and it pethetic I have to fly CO there cause I can't connect on my own airline. What a joke! On the SAN service from what my manager told me was before the F9 thing there was a good chance. Now there are not enough CR7's, its chance is not to good. Take care, hope PHX is treating you well.
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:36 am

Tango-Bravo:

Actually, I had a copy of the proposed schedule that involved PDX-SFO-CUN service to complement the existing SEA-LAX-CUN service. It was supposed to be announced several months ago but was shelved for...well, apparently no reason, save for perhaps TZ starting that route as well (even though they only fly on Saturdays).

Does anyone know/guess if AS might ever try LAX-OAK?

AS once served LGB-OAK, but LAX-OAK is served by 6 UA flights and 22 WN flights. Odds are we'll avoid that market.
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:41 am

"Point to Point is the wave of the future "

That's kind of a funny statement when you toss it against airline history.
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:48 am

Have a great trip, J. Where are you staying in CUN? The Melia? We get a great rate there, and it's a gorgeous hotel.
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:30 am

InnocuousFox:

I think it's only funny in the sense that the "future" has already happened.

Aaron G.
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:35 am

Yeah...Melia....I need some time to chill before I go back to school. G/F can't go anywhere , she is working so I'm going on my own. Do some snorkeling. Hey drop me a line on FirstClass....I think I know the next city we are going to!
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:40 am

Ok...you have mail.

RB
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:12 am

Thanks for the replys guys... Greatly appriciated! Here in EUG we even have a little point to point of our own in the form of EUG-MFR-LAX (CR7) and EUG-LAX (CR7) However EUG-LAX will be done shortly and all flights will be through Medford, OR. I'm wondering if QX will open any new routes out of EUG ever. I guess all the northern traffic basically goes through PDX, or SEA, so I think a EUG-GEG or EUG-BOI is probably completey un-realistic. In my own opinion. AS is really special to the people for an air carrier out here on the west coast and I really hope they continue to grow. My last trip on AS was great (There's a trip report if you're interested) And I've always thought of them as a great carrier with their "better than average" service, and if you sit in the back on the 737s you can pick up some extra legroom! I'll continue to check this post, and I love to hear everyones opinions!
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:46 am

Flyboy...thanks for the good words on AS. We all thank you! A lot of people up in the NW and PDX specially seem to enjoy bashing AS more then compliment us. Specially in regards to PDX expansion and realizing it may not happen. We run a business and don't start new service if its not there. EUG looks like regionals to SEA/PDX/MFR for now. Maybe we will see a little more one day.
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:22 am

It would be cool to see maybe SJC-LAX/SAN on AS some day. With the build up of flights out of LAX to Mexico, there could be good opptys for connect passengers since Mexico service from SJC is only seasonal.
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:16 am

Since AA moved out of the old TWA terminal in LAX, how many more gates did AS obtain from that?
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:20 am

Unless I'm mistaken, all the gates at T3 in LAX are "common use," so anyone can make use of them at any time. AS just happens to use more of them than anyone.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:22 am

I'm fairly sure AS would consider LAX at least a small hub.

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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 9:36 am

All gates at T3 are common use except 30,31A,31B,31C,and 32..those do belong to AS. The CSM (Len) has been trying for 2 more with no luck. Thats what the SOM a friend of mine told me. I'll talk to him soon and ask him.
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:20 am

I didn't know that. Well, I hope AS adds more flights through LAX, especially north-south routes.

Alaska Airlines is actually my favorite airline to fly. Someone name me an airline that still serves a hot breakfast on a route as short as SEA-OAK. Unfortunately, AS hasn't taken over the world. AA is my second-favorite and the most convenient for me. I'm glad AS and AA have a pretty intimate relationship.

Keep up the good work, Alaska!!!!
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:37 am

You are forgetting SMF-BOI
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:05 pm

I don't think that any of the BOI flying could be called point to point....BOI is considered a hub for QX.

But there is also a lot of p2p in Alaska - KTN-WRG/SIT/JNU, OTZ-OME...etc


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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:14 pm

Can someone elaborate on the "common use" gates at LAX?
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:22 pm

Can someone elaborate on the "common use" gates at LAX?
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:42 pm

Hey As739x

Msg me in First Class if you can... ry mo will find me  Smile

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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:56 pm

I don't think the KTN-WRG-PSG-JNU can be put on this list. Starts in SEA, AS hub and terminates in ANC. Main cargo service to these areas. The OME-OTZ is ANC-OTZ-OME-ANC routing, not like they are banking on Nome-Kotzebue pax.
I remember when they flew the LAX-YYZ route. Now that was a bit of an odd route for them.

Common use gates are just that. Open to any carrier that wants to utilize them. No set appointed carrier. Though some may use same gate daily or whatever.
When I was in HNL in 8/'80, many gates there were like that. Don't know if still same way.
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:40 pm

AS737x...As long as Alaska continues to screw Portland over we will continue to bash the airline!!!!!
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:41 pm

Leneld-

Once again, as long as it continues to underperform, PDX will continue to screw itself out of air service.

I'll explain this to you one more time; ALASKA AIRLINES IS NOT A CHARITY. They didn't start up an airline because they had planes lying around and felt they owed something to the people of PDX. They're in this business to make money, and if PDX doesn't make as much money for them as SEA does, then don't expect new service to go to/from PDX.
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:29 am

EA CO AS...Let face it...Alaska airlines sucks!!!!!!
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:25 am

EA CO AS...Let face it...Alaska airlines sucks!!!!!!

Well which is, it Leneld? Do they suck, or are they screwing PDX by not doing more flying there?  Insane

You're not doing much to lend any credibility to your argument.
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Thu Jan 15, 2004 4:14 am

Gee, I've not heard any official AS bashing in PDX....unless we're considering Airliners.net users as official bashing!

AS/QX are quite popular here...or are my QX Employee glasses rose-tinted?!?

 Yawn

PS: J have a good trip to CUN buddy! EA CO AS.... 'ric bo' will bring me up in first class by the way...or J knows my full name...
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:52 am

As739x,
Any truth to the rumor LAX - SJO?
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:52 am

Let face it...Alaska airlines sucks!!!!!!
Interesting. You must like Alaska/Horizon if you want us to increase service. Or do you want more sucky service?

Travelling from BOI-SFO/OAK/SNA/BUR/ONT/SAN I usually connect through PDX because of light loads. But I must admit I like PDX (airport) better than SEA (airport). PDX is never very busy. I love going to the end of "C" and just sitting there watching some movements. Its so quiet and peaceful.
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:53 am

hey AS739X, do you have email, i was looking for you because friday is my first trip with alaska ever, and i am having some questions/problems with alaska mileage plan, if you do, will you email me so i can ask you. thanks, just put your name in the subject of the email so i see it's you, thanks, rob
 
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RE: Alaska, Tons Of Point To Point!

Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:14 pm

hey AS739X, do you have email, i was looking for you because friday is my first trip with alaska ever, and i am having some questions/problems with alaska mileage plan, if you do, will you email me so i can ask you. thanks, just put your name in the subject of the email so i see it's you, thanks, rob

Drop me an e-mail if you'd like.

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