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Passenger Cargo?

Sun Jan 16, 2000 4:03 pm

I have heard that many of the cargo companies take a few passengers as well for a very small cost. Is this true? If so, can you legally fly on a cargo flight as a passenger? Secondly, how do you make such bookings/inquiries about being a passenger? And lastly, has anyone here ever been on a cargo flight as a passenger?

Again, thanks in advance.
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RE: Passenger Cargo?

Sun Jan 16, 2000 4:07 pm

I doubt it because there are no seats on a cargo jet, unless maybe its a "combi freighter".

I have heard that UPS does a Quick Change with some planes like on a Friday night, slipping in seats on pallets then flies pax all weekend, then Monday morning slides out the seat pallets and goes back to shipping packages!

Anyone else heard of this ?
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RE: Passenger Cargo?

Sun Jan 16, 2000 5:39 pm

well i Africa especially in Westafrica it happens a lot due to poor conctivity of rather poor Pax frequencies avaiable. I know a lot of people how flew form NBO to LOS or ACC with Cargo Airlines, however most of them were so called non-revenue passengers, this is the point because usually Cargo Planse ar not allowed to generate revenue in case they take pax on board. On many 747's (side cargo doors) you still have the upper deck furnished with seats. besides on some narrow body aircrafts you will almost always have at elast a row of seats in case you have cargo that needs a personal companion (hourse, animals....etc)

Sometimes cargo airlines take some passenger and declare then as crew members (they even list them in the so called 'GENDEC' General declaration)

RE: Passenger Cargo?

Sun Jan 16, 2000 8:24 pm

Md11dc10 is actually completely correct;

FedEx I know does a thing where you can fly in the jumpseat providing you meet certian requirements (IE no criminal record) on any flight that FedEx operates;

There are also, on 747F aircraft, several seats in the upper deck, and airlines such as Air France Cargo sometimes offer seats at rock bottom prices to passengers who wish to fly.

I have a couple of friends who say that FedEx is the only way to travel! And the only downside is that sometimes they fly at ungodly hours of the day. But beyond that, its fantastic.

I am going to try to get on a Freighter from London Stansted to Atlanta in a couple months time, or, failing that, from LHR to JFK, to avoid the one-way price penalty of the passenger airlines. If I succeed I will let you know how it goes!

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RE: Passenger Cargo?

Mon Jan 17, 2000 1:34 am

Good info. Thanks alot. Can't wait to hear about your trip. But again, how do you make arrangements like this? Do you just go up to the desk and say that you want to travel with them?
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RE: Passenger Cargo?

Mon Jan 17, 2000 9:50 am

Interesting topic guys - I think in Australia Government regulations state that you must have a flight attendant per a certain number of passenger seats. Don't quote me here but I think from 1-34 passenger seats requires 1 attendant, etc, etc... This would only account for seats that have been sold, and is required for safety (eg, exit proceedures in an emergency).

This would effectively mean that these seats could not be used by paying passengers, especially civilians.



RE: Passenger Cargo?

Mon Jan 17, 2000 3:31 pm

The rules are very different here in the US.

They state that from 1-19 passengers, no flight attendant is needed. (There are no cabin crew on aircraft such as Beech 1900) From then on up, it increases in stages of about 30 pax I think - so a half full 737-300 has threee crew usually, but the minimum it two.

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RE: Passenger Cargo?

Mon Jan 17, 2000 5:52 pm

US rules state no f/a 1-19
20-50 require 1 f/a
every 50 seats (not pax but seats require 1 additional f/a)
i.e. 737-300 needs 3 f/a unless seats are removed or all F class config or combi with total of less than 100 seats....

Also some aircraft during certification may require additional f/a's for positioning at key emergency exits... ie MD-11

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