mozart
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Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:38 am

I haven't heard about this in a long time.

Has any confirmation come through that CX will really start LHR-JFK?
 
airbazar
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:44 am

If this really happens I bet SIA will be really pissed  Smile They've been trying for years.
 
Moolies
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:48 am

who is SIA?

Dont have a clue.
 
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:52 am

An interesting article from the Hong Kong Standard:

Cathay puts its trans-Atlantic plans on hold
Keith Wallis

Cathay Pacific has put plans to launch trans-Atlantic flights on the backburner amid rising concern that the European Commission (EC) will object to the terms of last autumn's air pact between Hong Kong and Britain.

An airline insider said: ``The trans-Atlantic flights have become a low priority.''

He was speaking following initial feedback from officials and other sources about the deal that would allow the airline to operate round-the-world flights.

Cathay Pacific will still lobby in Brussels in support of the pact, but it is concentrating on increasing flight frequencies and launching services to other destinations.

By comparison, Virgin Atlantic remains optimistic the deal, which will also enable it to fly from Hong Kong to Australia, will win the green light from the commission.

Virgin Asia regional manager Mackenzie Grant said it still hopes to launch flights between Hong Kong and Australia by the end of the year. He said Virgin founder Richard Branson has written to the commission expressing support.

British Airways and British Midland have also contacted the commission, but they are believed to have expressed reservations.

British Airways is against Virgin being allowed to fly to Sydney, and British Midland has questioned whether allowing Cathay Pacific to fly across the Atlantic is in the best interests of the British travelling public.

Under the terms of the deal, the entire agreement has to pass EC scrutiny. ``It passes or falls as a package. People can't start taking bits out of it,'' the insider said.

Consequently, it only needs the EC to object to Cathay's trans-Atlantic rights and the pact will be in shreds.

Hong Kong negotiators insist the EC should be given the opportunity not to object to the agreement before it is formally ratified.

This is to stop the commission, which believes air services agreed by one member state should be open to other members, challenging the legality of the deal once it has been signed.

The agreement also ends all restrictions on passenger and cargo services between Hong Kong and Britain. This means existing carriers may operate as many flights as they think are financially viable.


http://www.thestandard.com.hk/thestandard/news_detail_frame.cfm?articleid=44678&intcatid=1

[Edited 2004-01-15 16:54:34]
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TURBOJETMAN
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:52 am

SIA = Singapore Airlines.

And highly doubtful any other career aside from the BIG four will be granted authority in this market. Unless there is some renegotiations of landing rights the doors seem to be bolted shut on this route.
 
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Fri Jan 16, 2004 1:46 am

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Bermuda II law only allows 2 carriers from the US and the UK to fly JFK-LHR, LHR-JFK?

So, if this is certain then neither CX nor SQ can apply for those traffic rights.
 
bobnwa
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Fri Jan 16, 2004 1:51 am

Neither SQ or CX is from the UK or the US so they don't come under the Bermuda II agreement. Air India currently flies from JFK to LHR.
 
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Fri Jan 16, 2004 1:54 am

SQ even got the go-ahead for LHR-JFK flights from UK authorities, but the US denied SQ landing rights at JFK for reasons i'm not sure.
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AA623BDLSJU
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Fri Jan 16, 2004 1:58 am

Oh yeah. I forgot that AI had JFK-LHR service.
 
nickofatlanta
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:27 am

NZ and KU also fly LHR-USA. LAX and JFK respectively.
 
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:53 am

"SQ even got the go-ahead for LHR-JFK flights from UK authorities, but the US denied SQ landing rights at JFK for reasons i'm not sure."

Other way round.

The United States of American and the Republic of Singapore have an Open Skies agreement - showing the way to other countries around the world - so embattled in their own strife of trying to hold all the cards that the way forward is Open Skies. Even before this, the former had already given Singapore Airlines Limited the green light to operate flights between LHR and JFK - one single daily flight.

The UK Labour Government's White Paper of 1999 (or 1998) called for a promotional of freer bilateral air agreements. From my tone, it is quite obvious that Labour has forgotten this - losing a member in the process.

Hence, it is therefore correct that the European Union strike down this absurd air services agreement between the United Kingdom and the territory that is home to the particular air transportation company being discussed in the starter post. EC has made it quite clear that such agreements are illegal. However, having said that, I see little movement on the EC's side to counter-act with their own European-wide neogtiations.
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klyk1980
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:00 am

Recently CX is going to create a Crew base in LHR. Currently Cathay with 3 daily non-stops betwen HKG and LHR daily. The set up of a Crew Base can be considered as the starting point that CX is going to use LHR as a transfer point in its network. Just like the function of BKK and YVR.

Definitely concerns from the Big 4 and also SQ. It will going to be very interesting because BA/AA/CX are in the same alliance(OneWorld) and VS support as well because VS wants the HKG-SYD. If CX finally award the right, SQ will become the major loser. Honestly I don't foresee the participation of CX in LHR-JFK will harm the Big 4 because the maximum frequency of CX can afford on this route maybe just a daily flight. But stretgically, CX can create the only round-the-world itinerary by one single airline (HKG-LHR-JFK-YVR-HKG) if they are allowed to fly transatlantic.
 
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:30 am

Whilst I can understand BMI's objections (I cannot understand BA's), I hope that VS get to go to Oz, I'm due to fly later this year, and would love to be able to get the VS product and also some more flying club miles by going VS.

CX would also increase competition on the LHR-JFK route - this can only be good news.

By the way, it is interesting that BA is objecting to CX - this cant play well in Oneworld meetings??!!
 
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:54 am

Why aren't any of the US carriers making a stink about this? I would assume that the US Gov't wouldn't just allow this unless another domestic carrier gets a chance to serve the route again. This little bone given to CX probably hasn't been agreed upon the feds. If it has, and I was DL, NW, CO, US, etc. i'd be pissed.
 
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:08 pm

Air India has been operating JFK-LHR longer than any other carrier on the route today.
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Sat Jan 17, 2004 3:22 pm

It is my understanding that the US gave CX the ok to fly LHR-JFK never dreaming that the UK would give permission.
 
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Sat Jan 17, 2004 8:26 pm

Cathay are still hopeful, but with the high demand elsewhere on our network, the LHR-JFK has been put on the backburner while we persue more worthwile interests.
 
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Sat Jan 17, 2004 9:01 pm

I would love to say that CX, SQ or EK would do well in LON-NYC routes.

Their in-flights services and entertainment system are far better than those airlines in Europe.

Lower fares would give them more chances to compete.  Smile
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Sun Jan 18, 2004 3:38 am

SQ even got the go-ahead for LHR-JFK flights from UK authorities, but the US denied SQ landing rights at JFK for reasons i'm not sure.

Not quite, they got the go-ahead, but without fifth freedom rights.
 
changyou
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Sun Jan 18, 2004 3:54 pm

Are CX hiring crew to be base in LHR from SEA? I heard they had application for internal transfer from existing HKG base crew. Any CX staff in here knows anything about it?
 
CX Flyboy
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:33 pm

I believe that the LHR base is only open to cabin crew who are already serving with Cathay, and not immediately to new cabin crew, but I could well be wrong.
 
donder10
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:51 pm

Whilst I can understand BMI's objections (I cannot understand BA's), I

Aren't BA's objectives to do with not being able to fly LHR-PVG-OZ?


Cx Flyboy,
are all of your pilots based in HK?
 
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RE: Cathay: LHR-JFK Really Starting?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:24 am

CX flyboy: -

No, in their website, they said they are taking new cabin crew with UK resident status (I assume British passport and NI), I am interested, do you know how do the roster for YVR based cabin crew look like? Is it YVR to HKG and JFK only? Or YVR-HK-somewhere else? Many thanks?

Dondor 10

I beleive they have bases in NZ, Aus, UK, Canada, Us and maybe S. Africa

Regards
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