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Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:14 am

I was wondering, why does American Airlines fly SEA-BOS? This seems like an odd route when neither city is considered a hub. I know Alaska Airlines flies the same route but that I could see why, Seattle being it's hub. I remember Northwest Airlines used to also fly the route, why did they suspened the route? How well is American doing on the route with AS also flying two daily flights?

Farhan Ali
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:22 am

Actually, AA does have a small hub operation at BOS. The main emphasis as BOS is AA Eagle flights to the Northeastern U.S. and mainline flights to Europe plus a handful of mainline routes to various major cities in the U.S. with an eye toward connections to/from their trans-Atlantic flights.
 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:54 am

Ah, got you! I didn't know AA haD so many flights to Europe from Boston. Thanks for the information.

Farhan Ali
Seattle, USA

[Edited 2004-01-15 18:55:17]
 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:02 am

Feeding flights to AA Eagle at Boston is part of it, but that's not the whole answer.

Both Seattle and Boston are considered technology hubs, and AA plan was to provide flights to executives who might travel frequently back-and-forth.

AA also had a flight to Austin. It still has flights to RDU and San Jose. All technology hubs.

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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:35 am

RDU flights are all on American Eagle now. DCA service went from F100 to ERJs quite some time ago as well.

Some AA mainline destinations from BOS include:

PAP
SDQ (sat with 777!)
SJU
AUA
MBJ
CUN
STT
PLS

MSY
SJC
SFO
SEA
LAX
SAN
LAS
ORD
DFW
STL
MIA
FLL
PBI
MCO
TPA

LHR
CDG
MAN

What am I missing?

 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:42 am

American offers 132 daily flights from Boston to destinations around the world.

From a news article on another topic about AAs new BOS-MAN service.
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:43 am

Don't they also fly to JFK from BOS?
 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:47 am

Not only are both Boston and Seattle large technology centers, but also there is a large number of "expatriate" New Englanders in the Seattle area. That would be my guess.
 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:54 am

AA has always had a large operation in BOS, with an extensive network to California. AA doesn't have a single hub on the West Coast, but they still fly from BOS To SJC, SFO, LAX, and SAN.

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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:04 am

I'm with you, though, on the question of how does this route call for 3x daily flights (2x AS and 1x AA)..? AA has tried to keep up with DL at BOS because DL has, in the past, been a bigger player at Logan.

The route makes sense, though...both areas are tourist destinations, tech hubs, and people flying from Seattle to Europe can connect via a number of Oneworld carriers to Europe - BA (3x daily?), EI (daily w/ I believe 2x daily service at certain parts of the year), and Swiss. Granted, SEA has its own BA flights but sometimes for some reason you get cheaper fares routing through another airport. On the other hand, people from BOS can connect via SEA to Asia.
 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:10 am

AA simply offers the flight to supply the demand (O & D). I don't think the small amount of connections through BOS are a big reason for most of the mainline flying there. Any connections via BOS (with the exception of the BGR/PWM, etc. Eagle flights) would be considered "icing on the cake," so to speak. Or should it be "icing on the wing," no "deicing the wing" would be better...AAAHHH you know what I mean!!
 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:15 am

AA no longer flies mainline to JFK. And EI service is 3x daily some days.
 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:31 am

This wouldn't happen to be a nighttime flight, would it? A lot of time, you will see redeye repositioning flights from the west coast to the east coast...
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:36 am

nope, its not a red-eye. aa 230: 1:45pm - 9:51 pm 738.
 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:38 am

Still, that's a "late flight". I would expect that it is not departing BOS until the next morning. The purpose may be to just set that 738 up for the next morning to go into a different hub.
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:43 am

yeah, i'm sure that aircraft does go somewhere else the next am, especially since the bos-sea flight doesnt leave until 10:49 am, arriving at 1:24 pm. and that inbound into sea certainly doesn't come back to bos, given the mere 20 mins btwn arrival and departure times.

[Edited 2004-01-15 21:43:52]
 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:03 am

actually, that bos-sea flight is supposed to leave at 9:40 am and get into sea at 12:51 pm - still a quick turn-around for a 1:45 departure if they use the same aircraft for the return, but i suppose it could be done.
 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:29 pm

This is also a local codeshare market for AS. We [AS] can actually sell the AA flights alone on our ticket stock. Of course, this also enhances connection opportunities at either end.
 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:37 pm

Boston to Seattle serves two purposes:

Boston- Connections to East Coast, Caribbean, and Europe

Seattle- At one time connection to Tokyo. Now connection to code share partner Alaska Airlines.


American Airlines has the clientele... the flights will continue... be it a 737-800 or a 757-200!


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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:29 pm

BOS-SEA ... I think I smell B6's next new route  Smile
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Sat Jan 17, 2004 1:48 am

BOS-SEA ... I think I smell B6's next new route

I would love to see it, but (with no basis) my hunch is against it. I just don't understand why B6 only has ONE flight a day from SEA. How do they really expect to build up a presence here when their only fight is to New York and leaves just after midnight. I mean, who in their right mind wants to fly that early/late?
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Sat Jan 17, 2004 1:53 am

AA also operates 4 flights a day to YYZ. ERJ135 I think is what they operate
 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:09 am

"when their only fight is to New York and leaves just after midnight. I mean, who in their right mind wants to fly that early/late?"

Again, that's just what I was talking about earlier. It's a repositioning flight.

If you figure that flying starts about 6AM on the east coast, that's 3AM in the West. So, any transcon stuff from east to west can leave at 0600 and get to the west by mid-day local time. So, for the first few hours of the day, all traffic is moving west.

The other direction, from west to east, in order to get to the east coast by a reasonable time (e.g. 11 PM), you have leave in the early afternoon Pacific time. So, the last "reasonable" flight out from SEA, SFO, LAX, etc. heading to the east coast would be 3ish. After that, people are going to get in darn late.

With the flight you mentioned, it likely comes to SEA from somewhere else - either on the West Coast (e.g. LGB) or as a trans-con. To make up for that initial batch of aircraft moving west in the morning, they have to get the same number of planes back to the east coast... some of them happen to be overnight. That way, they are ready to start migrating west in the morning.
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:36 am

InnocuousFox -

What's exactly what I'm saying. If B6 gives SEA only 1 inbound and 1 outbound per-day (which is admittedly just a positioning flight), then how do they ever expect to get any market share at SEA? I mean, I fly in and out of SeaTac a lot (admittedly never around midnight with the exception of the days following 9/11 when I caught a DL flight to DFW at 1 am in trying to get to MCO). However, in all my times at SeaTac, I've never once seen B6 personnel at the ticket counter, and I have never in my entire life seen a B6 aircraft. So if they really want to do well in SEA, I'd recommend ramping up Ops there, or maybe they should cut their losses.
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:37 am

This is AA's route map out of Boston:

*=Seasonal
#=American Eagle
%=American Connection
&#=Mainline and Eagle
&%=Connection and Eagle

Boston-Aruba*
Boston-Bangor#
Boston-Baltimore#
Boston-Cancun*
Boston-Columbus#
Boston-Dallas
Boston-Ft. Lauderdale
Boston-Islip#
Boston-JFK#
Boston-LaGuardia#
Boston-Las Vegas*
Boston-London Heathrow
Boston-Los Angeles
Boston-Manchester*
Boston-Miami
Boston-Montego Bay*
Boston-New Orleans*
Boston-Newark#
Boston-Norfolk#
Boston-O’Hare
Boston-Orlando
Boston-Paris*
Boston-Philadelphia#
Boston-Port-Au-Prince*
Boston-Providenciales*
Boston-Raleigh/Durham#
Boston-Richmond#
Boston-San Diego*
Boston-San Francisco
Boston-San Jose
Boston-San Juan
Boston-Santo Domingo
Boston-Seattle
Boston-St. Louis&%
Boston-St. Thomas*
Boston-Toronto#
Boston-Washington National
Boston-West Palm Beach*

As recent as 2002, American Eagle also served Nashville, Portland (Maine), and Quebec City.

This is not unusual for American Airlines, because they operate a very strong point-to-point network, the strongest of any of the Cartel carriers. These large point-to-point networks are concentrated out of Boston (2nd largest carrier), Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood (2nd), Los Angeles (2nd), New York City/JFK (2nd), New York City/LaGuardia (3rd?), Raleigh/Durham (1st), and San Jose, CA (1st). The majority (a good 75-80%) of the non-hub flights in AA's systems begin/terminate at those eight airports.
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Sat Jan 17, 2004 3:57 am

Flights to Washington National are also on Eagle.
 
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Sat Jan 17, 2004 4:06 am

NW started the SEA-BOS N/S back in '95 or '96. It was so popular that NW had 2 daily N/S during the summer peak season. If any route was odd, this was it. But at the same time NW had BOS-LAX and BOS-SFO N/S.

AA came in with 1 N/S. Slowly NW backed out of the market.

AA has done 2 daily N/S. This last summer AA had 2 daily N/S and AS also had 2 daily N/S.

This is a huge route for both AS and AA. Alot of what I had heard is correct. There is a ton of O/D traffic on these routes. Amazing to me how many people have family/friends etc in New England or the NW.

Also the AA connections to Maine and other points helps alot. Instead of ORD, CVG, DTW, or MSP, you can go to the east coast and then have a short hop.
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Sat Jan 17, 2004 5:21 am

BOS-SEA was one in a series of transcon routes AA started in the 1997 - 1999 period in order to beef up it's transcon services, and to augment newly acquired services on the West Coast.
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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Sat Jan 17, 2004 6:09 am

MAH4546: AA Eagle also has BOS-PIT a while ago (2002 or early 2003?)

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RE: Odd AA Route: SEA-BOS

Sat Jan 17, 2004 6:21 am

A number of other Eagle or Business Express routes from BOS are gone including PQI, BTV, ALB, ROC, BUF, SYR, HPN, ACK, YUL, YOW, YHZ.

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