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Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Tue Jan 18, 2000 3:57 am

Hong Kong, Jan. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd., Hong Kong's only long-haul airline, plans to order more aircraft this year to cope with increasing traffic.

The carrier said it will buy the planes from manufacturers already represented in its fleet, such as Boeing Co. and Airbus Industrie.

Only last month, Cathay ordered three new planes from Europe's Airbus. The A330-300 aircraft will be delivered in the first quarter of 2001, increasing its Airbus fleet to 29 and its total fleet to 65. Such planes typically cost between $120 million and $140 million each.

``The orders we've announced will not be the last,'' said James Hughes-Hallett, Cathay's chairman. ``We have an idea of what our fleet's going to look like, but we're not going to reveal it just yet. We have to keep pace with demand in Asia.''

He said the airline is mainly interested in increasing service on existing routes. Cathay, for example, doesn't now have enough planes to increase flight frequency during next month's Chinese New Year holidays, one of its busiest periods.

As demand for seats has increased, so has the price of jet fuel, which has almost tripled since last February. Fuel accounts for about 15 percent of Cathay's operating costs.
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Rumor has it that this is the 777X launch order.
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Tue Jan 18, 2000 4:22 am

I have also read on other forums about the 777X. Perhaps at the Asian airshow in Feb. I have also heard more 773s, but that no more new Airbus a/c will be ordered direct for a while. Hot off the rumor mill is that CX has agreed to take 5 A340-312s from Gulf Air and 1 A340-313X(nee-Aero Arg?) from ILFC instead of more new build.
Will this set off an order frenzy in Asia? I hope so!
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Coming

Tue Jan 18, 2000 4:39 am

This is great news, although CX obviously isn't giving too much away - "the order will come from Cathay's existing suppliers" . . . like they have a choice. (Somehow I don't see IL96s figuring in the airline's fleet).

Seriously, though, I have heard about the CX deal for GF A340s and one A340 from ILFC. I don't think AR will be involved; they haven't operated A340-300s yet and are waiting for their first. (Have they cancelled one?) I had heard they were also looking for CX's A340s too, but these six aircraft will probably do the job for a while. Ironically, GF now operates A340s to HK! I can just picture Cathay people running around with measuring tapes and new seat material as passengers are disembarking!

Now, the big question: A340s or 777s. Okay, I'm an Airbus person, but I did note that the airline did not figure in the list of 773X orders mentioned on this site yesterday. I really don't think CX would enjoy having the GE90 foisted on it. However, I'm not going to get into this debate right now. Whatever they buy, I'll look forward to flying in . . .

PS This may sound like an absurd suggestion, BUT would it be possible for airlines that really like the 777X but not the GE90, to order the aircraft, BUT retrofit the engines it wants after and basically get Boeing to give the GE90s back? Absurd as it might sound, I'm sure that CX would be an early customer. Just a thought.
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Coming

Tue Jan 18, 2000 6:17 am

ar already has a few airbuses and is operating them to sydney and new york and other places. they have had them for about half a year
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Coming

Tue Jan 18, 2000 9:21 pm

Staff at Cathay are not normally told much, but I get the general feeling around the place that more Airbuses will be on the way, and not neccessarily Boeings. This excluding the 5 GF A340s of course. Interestingly though, the 5 GF ones are not -313Xs, but -312 and have a lower takeoff weight of 260,000kg as opposed to the our A340s which have a MTOW of 275,000kg.

These new A340s will have the time taken to properly install the Cathay interior including the new first class called "Betsy" and the individual PTVs. This is after a flood of complaints against the three leased 340s from Air China, which were hurried into service in CX colours (Inside and out), but with no first class and PTVs in economy.
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Tue Jan 18, 2000 11:27 pm

I think Besty is just the name of their first DC-3, not their new frist class.......
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Coming

Wed Jan 19, 2000 2:19 am

No, Airbus A3XX, they do call their new First Class seats Betsy. The one problem, apparently, is that the A340s cannot take the new seat, apparently because of floor loading. However, I'm sure that can be recitified in some way, with a special strengthened design to the forward floor.

Anyway, this is my prediction . . .

Cathay will split its new order between large regional aircraft (i.e. the
777-300) and the A340-5/600. The 777 order will be for around 8-10 aircraft, but
will be contingent on Boeing finding a new home for the 777-200s, which Cathay was never really too fond of.

The main order will be for around 14-16 A340s, split to be determined closer to a decision time set by Airbus (i.e. haven't thought that far ahead, but would
expect 6 -500s and 8 -600s).

I would expect CX to be a launch customer for new model 747 Stretch. The 400 Stretch would be used on certain high density local routes, plus Sydney, LA,
Vancouver and London. I'd estimate a requirement for about 6.

Isn't it lucky for them I don't sign their cheques!
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Wed Jan 19, 2000 4:35 am

Hmm I was wondering, is China allowing Cathay to order aircraft when it wants while the rest of the Chinese airlines have to wait for government approval and for the CAAC to do the ordering and distribute the aircraft.

Panman
 
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Aero Arg

Wed Jan 19, 2000 5:56 am

Aero Arg has taken delivery of 2 A342s. They were also supposed to get 2 343s. One of those aircraft was severly damaged in a storm while being prepared in France. The other aircraft is in storage, and is unpainted. As the original deliv date has passed with no progress, and the damage to 1 a/c, I dont believe Aerolineas will take delivery. The airline is rumored to be very near bankruptcy. The new, expensive leases arent looking to good now.
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Coming

Wed Jan 19, 2000 3:18 pm

I have heard from some people in CX, that we will not order any more 747 passenger aircraft. I am not sure if this had any truth to it though.

As for HKG needing the Chinese CNAC approval for purchasing aircraft; no. We will order aircraft when we want to. HKG, is not controlled by China to the extent where this is happening. Essentially, things in HKG have not changed that much at all. A couple of months ago we ordered 3 A330-300Xs. Nothing to do with the Chinese authorities.
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Wed Jan 19, 2000 4:48 pm

Can someone correct me if I am wrong that Cathay Pacific is planning to lease ex-Gulf Air Airbus A340 aircrafts.

I am aware that CX is about to make its decision about its fleet expansion but there are so many rumours about what aircrafts they will be buying. From my observations and readings, I can only say what has been speculated and the is it is either the Boeing 777-300X (be a launch customer) but CX prefers Rolls Royce engines and not GE. The other option would be RR powered A340-500/600 or if Boeing brings out a new 747-400X or -500/600 series.
 
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Yes, Gulf Air A340s

Wed Jan 19, 2000 10:42 pm

Within the airline, it seems pretty firm that we will take the five Gulf Air 340s. At the moment they have a lesser take-off weight than our ones, so not sure what will happen there. We are also looking at least one A340 from ILFC. Possibly an older one.

As for the big order coming somethime mid-year, whatever we order, cathay want it asap. We are already desperate for more capacity, and more short-term leases like the Air China and Gulf Airs won't be enough. We are looking at doubling the size of the airline and flying to places like Tehran, Riyadh, Cairo, Pakistan, UAE, Honolulu, Miami and Dallas.
 
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RE: Yes, Gulf Air A340s

Wed Jan 19, 2000 11:53 pm

From the orders site the word is that CX will order more of every type they have in the fleet. 747-400s, 777-300s, A340-300s along with possibly the A340NG and 777-300X. Just last month the airline ordered 3 A330-300s. If the airline is looking for more capacity then the 747 is the place to go. More capacity than anything else in the fleet. Right now it looks as if an order for the A3XX/747NG will be placed in 2002. Maybe they will be the launch customer for the 747NGs.
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RE: Yes, Gulf Air A340s

Thu Jan 20, 2000 2:49 am

Hello, fellow Cathay fans!

I have heard (from various sources) that Cathay is looking very seriously at the A3XX and as far as launch customers go, Airbus could hardly get much better than that. If the 747 Stretch/ER were available in 2002/3, I think many airlines would choose it over the A3XX, but with only a year or so in the difference, they can wait the extra few months for a better and newer aircraft. Mmm. . . Cathay A3XXs. Now those I must fly in . . .


As for the A340s from Gulf Air, although they have a considerably lower MTOW (260 v. 275), they could still do many routes now flown by the A340s - Auckland, possibly London, Anchorage/YYZ, Australia. However, I am wondering if (1) they are intended to be leased as stopgaps until the -5/600s arrive (i.e. all part of an Airbus deal) and (2) whether their being A340s has anything to do with their intended range. As past history has shown, Cathay has been an advocate of "intelligent misuse of aircraft" - and the aircraft could have been chosen just because they were available and could fly around Asia. Even though the 340 is designed for long haul routes, it would still be a very economical aircraft on local flights.
 
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Why Not

Thu Jan 20, 2000 3:18 am

the SQ A340-313s, they have MTOW of 275....timing can become an issue though. Do you guys think A330-200s can become a candidate for thin long routes?
Coming to the permission question for buying aircfrafts...CX is a private airline being responsible for their own financials and can decide on its own whereas all Chinese Airlines are owned by the goverment/region, which obliges them to have permission to buy....
 
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Not A Launch Customer.

Thu Jan 20, 2000 4:28 am

From what I have heard the economical data for the A3XX and 747X have not come in yet for CX. They would also not be a launch customer for the A3XX. They will order one of the jumbos if not both but that will only be at the earliest 2002. For right now they are looking into purchasing more 747-400s, 777-300s and A340-300s along with possibly A340NG or 777-300X or both. I doubt that we will see any A340-300 orders seeing that they have added 5 more to the fleet (4) Gulf Air and (1) ILFC along with the (3) leased from Air China.
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How Far They Have Come.

Thu Jan 20, 2000 4:51 am

I was just thinking about how far Cathay Pacific has come. In 1994 the airline operated 747-200s, 747-300s, 747-400s that were brand spanking new, and L1011s. The 747-400s are now the veterans of the fleet the 747 "Classics" have left on leases/sold/stored, the L1011s have gone the same way. Now we have an entirely EFIS fleet of (19) 747-400s, (4) 777-200s, (7) 777-300s, (11) A340-300s (3) leased and (5) on the way along with 13 A330-300s with (3) on order.
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The Leased Aircraft Product

Thu Jan 20, 2000 6:03 am

Will be Gulf Air leased aircraft feature the Cathay Pacific seats as I believe the Air China lease does not have first class and the seats are of Air China.

Can someone confirm what Cathay Pacific will be doing in terms of products in First , Business and Economy Class and weather these aircrafts will have CX seats and PTV's.

Also confirm when the Gulf Air and leased ILFC aircrafts will be entering CX fleet and for how long will they serve before being returned to the owner.
 
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Way To Go Boeing!

Thu Jan 20, 2000 8:07 am

If Deltaair is correct, we will see the 777X being launched by cathay!!!(instead of peviously believed as air france).

this have proven that boeing can kick airbus' arse!
 
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RE: Way To Go Boeing!

Thu Jan 20, 2000 8:17 am

I don't know if I am correct because it is only a rumor, but hten again remember when everyone thought BA would order the 717? I certainly hope that I am.
 
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RE: Way To Go Boeing!

Fri Jan 21, 2000 1:22 am

I am not saying that this is correct but I continue to hear from good sources that 747-400/400X and 777-300Xs are a very BIG possibility
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Fri Jan 21, 2000 3:23 am

I've just been to PPrUnet and there's a fairly heated argument going on re the 777 -v- A340-600. There's not too many of them there (about 20 replies), but they do seem to favour the 777X. However, they don't make the decisions and again, it's worth stressing that for the likes of CX, the decision they make is one they are stuck with. If they buy an aircraft with GE engines and something goes wrong (which, as we have seen is not impossible), what will they do? Remember, as CX Flyboy (I think) said early on this thread, CX is looking at a lot of new routes and I am not sure they would like to risk a 77X on Dallas with the GE 90 being as reliable as it is now. Sure, it will improve, but enough. It's a hell of a big ocean and the RR Trent will do the job - and there's four of them . . .
 
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Ever Thought About The Engines?

Fri Jan 21, 2000 3:36 am

Has anyone taken a look what engines CX operates? The 340-300 as the CFM56, there is no other choice. The 777-200/-300 have the TRENT 800 (RR), the 330-300 has the TRENT 700 and I expect the 747-400 to have the RB211. This leaves CX with a nearly complete RR-powered fleet. From this point of view the 340-500/-600 makes sense as they are TRENT 500 powered. Adding the GE90, which isn´t performing very well at the moment, would mean producing somewhat more costs due you have to store parts for this engine. The TRENT 500 has some essential parts taken from the other TRENTs which would mean reducing theses cost.

Just my 0.02 cents.

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RE: Ever Thought About The Engines?

Fri Jan 21, 2000 5:55 am

GE has recalled all 777 engines built before a certain date. This is a brand new engine design built specifically for this type. I disagree with Boeing's decision to offer this engine type only on the X version, but this ridiculous harping of the "crap" GE product is completely ignorant. To build such a complex machine from scratch is not easy. RR has f***** up plenty of times in the past when introducing new engines and so has PW. GE will continue to modify and work this engine until it is on par or better than its competitors. You don't achieve a 50% worldwide marketshare in jet engines by selling crap.

Nevertheless, I'd love to see Cathay order 10+ 777Xs and just tell Boeing to deliver them with RRs. Now that would be an interesting day in Everett.
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Fri Jan 21, 2000 10:59 am

And on that day, Boeing would tell CX to f**k off!

Please remember that it was not a concious choice by Boeing to offer only an uprated GE90 variant--RR and PW would only consider the job if they received sole supplier rights to the 777X project. Now who's being arrogant there?

Remember that not only CX will be ordering the 777X---how the hell would Bowing sell the type to Air France with RR Trents?
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Fri Jan 21, 2000 11:23 am

Actually, RR was the only one of the three that did not include the exclusivity stipulation in their discussions with Boeing. Boeing's pulled some stupid stunts, but telling CX to f off would have to rank at the top of the list. I don't see how Boeing could turn down a launch order with RRs. It seems to me they would have to go back to GE and revisit their agreement. If Boeing needs extra developement cash for a variant, how the hell will it ever develop a brand new design on its own? The more I think about it, the dumber this whole deal sounds.
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Fri Jan 21, 2000 12:02 pm

Remember that the world you're dealing with often revolves around the concept of the lowest bidder. GE makes Boeing a damn good deal for those engines and that benefits both companies. The development costs of such a poweplant pretty much require sole-supplier rights as otherwise the project is not cost effective. Demand for the 777X will be there, but it will not be astronomical, so sole-supplier rights are pretty much a given. It wouldn't make sense for RR to offer its engines in concert with PW and GE as there simply isn't room for 3, let alone 2, manufacturers to cut a profit here.

For CX to demand that Boeing revisit its agreed upon stipulations with GE regarding the poweplants for the 777X would not only be first class blackmail, it would also be illegal. Boeing would never consider such a thing, and the first time they did they would be hit by a lawsuit so strong that the 777X program will be placed in jeopardy if not cancelled altogether as Airbus works merrily toward completion of the A345/346.

Wingman, don't be so naive as to portray RR as working in the public interest while Boeing and GE are criminals. They all want that green paper at the end of the day, and GE will be bringing all new technology to the project while RR has promised only uprated Trents. It will be a hard sell, but I am convinced it will ultimately be a successful one.
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Fri Jan 21, 2000 12:39 pm

Thankfully some of the people on this forum aren't running Airbus, Boeing, GE or indeed any other aerospace firm.

The GE90 engine exclusivity decision was a tough one. It is the best for fuel economy, has the highest potential for growth, offered the lowest risk for return on investment, has arguably lower maintenance costs, and is backed by the world's largest turbofan manufacturer and second largest company by stock value (after Microsoft). The -90 has had a few problems with performance, most of which are widescale broadcast owing to the open-door policy by GE on good AND bad news, and because the B777 is significantly qualified for 180 minutes ETOPS. ETOPS stipulates that engine performance must be almost perfect - no more than 1 failure for every 50,000 flying hours over the entirety of the fleet at an airline. Considering one year is 8,760 hours, you can quite easily see that 1 failure for every six continuous years of operation is remote at best.

The engine is not a "dog", and whilst it has less total orders than the RR or PW engine, it has more customers. There is some argument that most of the potential B777X customers selected RR or PW engines, which is entirely valid.

There is a world beyond the 750,000lb B777X, and that is a 780-800,000lb B777X. The GE90 is the only engine that can be uprated to 125-135k lb thrust without significant redevelopment. GE is not only paying half of the B777X development costs, but is also offering sweeteners for RR and PW B777 operators to make the switch for the B777X. This includes superior after-market service amongst other things.

The GE90 selection does not make the B777X a worse choice than the A340-500/600. The airplane is still better than its Airbus opponent (at least on paper, which is where these birds currently are).
 
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Er...hello?

Fri Jan 21, 2000 6:24 pm

Please stop the bickering. Remember what this forum is about.

As for the Cathay order, as someone mentionned, it all comes down to money. If it costs less for Cathay to run Trents, and this makes the 340 cheaper overall, they will go for this. If the 777 is cheaper, then they will go for this. However, there is a big push for more training here at Cathay, and we are taking in a lot more second officers. Some of them are going onto the 744, as some people are needed there, mainly to counter ageing captains reaching retirement age. However, there are loads of Airbus courses at the moment. Most of the second officers will be going onto the bus. This certainly suggest that a lot more busses are along the way. Admittedly, if we go for the 777X, we won't be training yet anyway, but for now, it looks like airbus might get the business. In our magazine Crews News we have monthly articles by the boeing and airbus fleet managers. This month, the airbus manager seems to drop many hints about new orders. Mr. Boeing manager does not.

Maybe this means something, maybe nothing at all.
 
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Kai Tak, Etops Is No Problem.

Fri Jan 21, 2000 8:52 pm

Kai Tak, you are worried about ETOPS, aren't you.

there's no problem with today's reliable engines as you would know. just look at all those A330 and 757 and 777 and 767 ETOPS flights aorund the world today! has there an accident occured becuase of one engine failure and ditched into the sea?????

however, i am not too confident with the GE90. as i have posted stuff about the GE90 before, i think it is a bad engine choice. i like RR the best, because it is the best 777 engine!!
 
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RE: I Agree With You!

Fri Jan 21, 2000 9:36 pm

Hi Pandora. I'm not so worried and I agree completely with what you say. I have flown to Atlanta and back on a DL 777 before Christmas and had absolutely no worries. However, I am - as you are - concerned about the GE 90. I think the issue has to be looked at from an airline point of view. They will be spending a massive amount on a new aircraft and they have to get it right and even if there's the slightest risk of things going pear shaped, it will have an impact on the decision. Unfortunately, with the GE90's record as it is, this risk does occur. More than likely, there will be NO problem, but where there's a choice between it and an engine with which they have no problem, the A340 will win through. There will be a fair few more 773s to join CX I'm sure - and I hope - but the A340-5/600 will be the long haul choice.
 
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CX Flyboy

Sat Jan 22, 2000 1:22 am

Could you say that the reason for increasing bus training is that you just order 3 new A330-300s and are leasing in 5 A340-300s? I believe that that in itself would warrant new classes and the likes. Plus the 747-400 has been in the fleet a while and therefore has its pilot base. First officers of it in the early 90's are now captains and have many years left so there is no reason to increase the size of new classes. We could say that for now the 747-400 crews can get the job done.
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RE: Moving On Up . . . CX Flyboy?

Sat Jan 22, 2000 1:44 am

I've always been very interested in the issues around crew conversion. In Cathay, how does it happen? Say, for argument's sake and in a fit of wishful thinking, I were a Cathay Second Officer - cruise pilot on the 744/340. Assuming I was fit and passed all the various tests, how would my career progress?
- How long would I spend as a cruise pilot?
- I understand from speaking to a 777 check captain that most cruise pilots go straight to the 777, although I'm sure with the arrival of so many Airbuses, this will change. Correct?
- Do you reach a stage where you have a choice? Can you say, I want to fly a 777 or a 744?
- Do you apply or are you told that you're moving to a different fleet. Is it advertised in crew rooms, e.g. "20 FOs needed for 777, please see fleet captain?"

I know it's not quite on the subject, but CX747 raises some very interesting questions and I just wanted to follow on!
 
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RE: CX Flyboy

Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:26 am

It is my guess that new first officers operate in the 777s and A330s as they do no fly the long haul sectors which seniority would obviously be needed to do. I feel that the younger "generations" are right now piloting the 777s and A330s while the "veterans" operate the 747s and A340s. Obviously as time marches on the younger fellas eventually move to the 747s and A340s while the new "younger" guys slide into the seats of the 777s and A330s.
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RE: Moving On Up . . . CX Flyboy?

Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:29 am

Conversion from a Second Officer to a Junior F/O runs on a seniority list. When the time comes, and a new JFO is needed, they take the most senior S/O off the list. Assuming that you meet all the requirements for an upgrade (i.e. an ATPL these days) and that you are suitable, then you join either the 777 or the A330. If you have no jet experience (normally an ex-cadet), you go back down to the BAE Systems flying college in Adelaide Australia for a two week jet course in a Citation 1. Before going back to HKG to start your conversion.

There is no choice involved. Planning Dept. says "we need 10 A330 pilots, the courses start in a month". If you are at the top of the list, you go and join that course. It is difficult to say how long you would spend as a S/O. In the past few years, it has been 3-4 years due slow development. Now the airline is about to rapidly grow, it might be just long enough for 1500hrs to unfreeze the ATPL before converting, which might only take a couple of years. (There is a limit on how many hours of your yearly flight time can go towards unfreezing a HK ATPL. I can't remember how many though!). You don't apply for your upgrade; you are told that there is a course for you. You would very rarely not meet the requirements of a S/O to JFO upgrade. If Cathay knew you had no potential as an F/O, they would get rid of you immediately. F/O to Capt. upgrades are different, as some people are F/Os for life. Cathay doesn't mind that too much, although when they employ, they are looking for future Captain material.

This past year, S/O to JFO upgrades have been split between the 777 and 330 fairly evenly. For the time being, Cathay has received all it's 777s, but has three more A330s on order. This will affect the fleet requirements.

I'm sorry this has been a bit long, but I hope it answers some questions
 
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RE: Moving On Up . . . CX Flyboy?

Sat Jan 22, 2000 2:54 am

So how does the 747-400 fleet and A340-300 fleet go about getting new crews? Do they take them from officers already established in the 777 and A330?
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Let's Not Let Us Decide

Sat Jan 22, 2000 7:30 am

all other people:

it seems we are saying that WE ARE deciding what CX will order. let's not look too far and let the airline do the calculations.

cx747, crew conversions between different aircraft is no problem cathay, they have proved it to be smooth and easy between 747-400 and A340 or whatever.

I do think however Cathay can operate both A34X and 777X in their fleet. the A340-600 may be used as a 747-400 replacement while the 777X may used to expand their routes.
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Sat Jan 22, 2000 8:09 am

After reading the 747 article posted by Hypermike it sure seems that these new behemoths would fit in quite nicely at CLK. Commonality with the exisiting 19 747-400s, 747-400Fs along with the 777-200/300 birds. Just my opinion though.
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Sat Jan 22, 2000 8:10 am

After reading the 747 article posted by Hypermike it sure seems that these new behemoths would fit in quite nicely at CLK. Commonality with the exisiting 19 747-400s, 2 747-400Fs with 2 more on order along with the 777-200/300 birds. Just my opinion though.
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Sat Jan 22, 2000 8:18 am

Now just how the hell does an A346 count as a suitable replacement for the 744 in an airline that wants to beef up capacity!?!?

Just wait until you see that awkward ugly looking beast roll out of Toulouse in 2002 or proabablyt later. Then you will see what I am talking about.
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Sat Jan 22, 2000 4:02 pm

Are you saying that the A340-600 is an awkward ugly looking beast, BO?!
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Sat Jan 22, 2000 4:22 pm

Yes that is what I am saying...look at the length of the beast--it is sure to have real problems maneuvering around airports and especially LANDINGS. If KaiTak were still open this would not even be a consideration.
 
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RE: Large Cathay Pacific Order Comming

Sat Jan 22, 2000 4:49 pm

Hmm . . . Like the 777-300X is nice and compact! It's actually going to be longer than the A340-600. However - I have to agree, fitting them into Kai Tak would have been fun! I often wonder if Boeing or Airbus should be fitting a moving walkway for passengers near the back!