ryder10uk
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A340-200 Ultra Long Range

Tue Jan 20, 2004 9:59 pm

the A340-500 is said to be a break through in ultra long range aircraft, but corect me if im wrong the 200 serries isnt far behid and has been around for years
 
gordonsmall
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RE: A340-200 Ultra Long Range

Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:13 pm

Yes, the A340-200 was the original Airbus long range aircraft - but was built in very small numbers.

The A340-200 had a practical range of 8000nm, which was at least an hour's more flying than anything else available at the time.

Airbus flew an A340-200 on a trip around the world, stopping only once, in Auckland I believe for fuel.

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RE: A340-200 Ultra Long Range

Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:55 pm

Gordon - yup, they flew an A340-200 TLS-AKL, with WorldRanger titles on the aircraft. I was lucky enough to be at Auckland Airport that evening, saw it come in, and even sat in on the press conference (ah they joys of being a child...). I was even able to have a quick word to the flight crew. I was quite saddened to learn, some time later, that the Captain (and I think maybe some others too) were on the A330 prototype when it crashed (the next year I believe).

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RE: A340-200 Ultra Long Range

Wed Jan 21, 2004 12:25 am

The aircraft has not been a good sell number becouse of the seat per mile cost. The cost of the plane was similar to 343 but can carry less pax.
A345 has a bit more range with more pax than A343, so with a seat per mile by far lower.
 
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RE: A340-200 Ultra Long Range

Wed Jan 21, 2004 1:12 am

The A340-200 had a practical range of 8000nm

Not really.

Only a single A342 ever built would have had that range in pax configuration, and it never entered pax service. Instead it was used as a private aircraft for the Sultan of Brunei's brother.

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RE: A340-200 Ultra Long Range

Wed Jan 21, 2004 2:42 am

Only a single A342 ever built would have had that range in pax configuration, and it never entered pax service.

Airbus offered the 275t MTOW as an option to all customers, but it was simply never taken up because like the A340-500 - it had very few practical uses. Although it should be noted that Airbus still offer a conversion program for existing -211/212 airframes to upgrade them to the -213 standard - and at least 2 of these conversions have been completed in the last few years.

Incidentally I doubt the A340-500 will have a seat/mile cost much lower than either the A340-200 or -300. Reason being that while the A340-500 carries a few more passengers (about 15 more I think in a typical config), it burns much more fuel, carries less freight and weighs a whopping 40,000kg more than an A340-300 when empty!

It's really only useful on ultra long range routes of greater than 7000nm, other than that the A340-300 makes much more economic sense IMO.

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timz
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RE: A340-200 Ultra Long Range

Wed Jan 21, 2004 2:49 am

"they flew an A340-200 TLS-AKL"

As I recall it was Le Bourget to Auckland and back. Probably still the longest great-circle distance covered in one flight, tho at least three flights have flown farther overall.
 
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RE: A340-200 Ultra Long Range

Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:51 am

Probably still the longest great-circle distance covered in one flight

Again... Seattle-K.L., transatlantically, tops it

...and that's just when considering commercial jets
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RE: A340-200 Ultra Long Range

Wed Jan 21, 2004 5:21 am

AFAIK none of the longer flights covered a longer distance, measuring along the great circle between the endpoints. Not the Kadena-Torrejon B-52H, nor Voyager (obviously) nor the MH 777.

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