martin21
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Airliners From The US In Cuba

Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:23 am


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I thought thinks like this would not be possible ?
Because American airliners were not allowed in Cuba.
Does Continental operates flights from other
country's than the US ?

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iflyatldl
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:51 am

Continental does a charter from MIA a couple of times a week if I'm not mistaken.  Smile for Cultural and Humanitarian with the State and Treasury Depts. blessing- of sorts.  Big grin
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:56 am

My neighbor is going to Havana next month (medical research conferance). He's also got permission from the State department to bring back $100 (USD) in Cuban goods. Last time he was there he brought back some fine Cohiba's and an absolutly magnifcent bottle of rum.
 
martin21
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:57 am

So thinks are going better between the US and Cuba ?! nice to hear...  Smile

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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:04 am


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All flights from the U.S. are charter flights. There are no scheduled flights from the U.S. to Cuba due to the 1961 trade embargo that still stands today.

However, this could change on a moment's notice. Fidel Castro is losing his machismo as a despot/dictator and he could very well be overthrown in a coup d'etat or he could simply keel over one day due to all those cigars he's been smoking. Such an event would probably be the end of the socialist regimes forever in the country and a shift toward a capitalist economy would probably occur.

If (when) that happens, you'd probably see U.S. carriers fighting for routes to Havana from places like MIA, ATL, JFK, LGA, LAX. Cuba has enormous potential for tourism since it's a tropical island. Some of the carriers you'd see first would probably be FL, AA, DL, maybe B6.

When it happens, I'll be one of the first there. It would be kind of like visiting East Germany right after the reunification... a rather interesting one-time experience for a westerner.
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Benjamin
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:15 am

Some of the carriers you'd see first would probably be FL, AA, DL, maybe B6.

How do you come to this assesment? What about CO? They FLY THERE NOW. DL and B6 DO NOT.
 
Av8rDAL
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:33 am

How do you come to this assesment? What about CO? They FLY THERE NOW. DL and B6 DO NOT.

CO only does charters, as was stated above. What I said was only my rough prediction. I've also heard of DL and AA charters but didn't find any photos in the database.

To be frank, Cuba really isn't at the top of U.S. airlines' priority lists right now because they can't fly there. Bankruptcy and posting losses really don't warrant such intrepid planning, either.

But if the Cuban regime falls, the international spotlight will probably shift from Iraq to Cuba. B6 and CO could serve the northeastern market for winter tourists wanting to escape to the tropics as well as the Cuban ex-pat population. DL would probably follow FL into Havana too. This is all just speculation; I don't have any idea of what sort of master business plans each company has in terms of expansion, but Cuba has great profitability potential once the infrastructure gets some much-needed attention and a lot of investment into hotels, etc.
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:40 am

I guarantee you CO would have numerous flights from EWR to Cuba, as the 2nd largest Cuban population outside of Cuba (Miami being #1) is in Northern NJ. AA would probably also have a JFK-HAV flight. I could definately see B6 capitalizing on a JFK-HAV route (similar to JFK-SJU) possibly undercutting AA's service. Also, when their new 190's come in, I wouldn't be surprised to see MIA-Cuba routes operated with one or two of the 190's, or other Florida (i.e. FLL/CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO - Cuba routes, as it offers a convenient transfer to the rest of their network).
 
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:41 am

Av8rDAL,

Fidel Castro is losing his machismo as a despot/dictator and he could very well be overthrown in a coup d'etat or he could simply keel over one day due to all those cigars he's been smoking.



From your lips to God's ears!!!

BTW, You want a good smoke, forget the Cohibas, VERY overrated and way too many fakes. Try the Hoyo de Monterrey double coronas!
 
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:47 am

It's not a question of IF it will happen, it's WHEN...

of course, all the Cubans would say "Si Dios Quiere"...  Smile

[Edited 2004-01-21 00:50:03]
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airliner777
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Wed Jan 21, 2004 10:30 am

Airlines flying to Cuba from Miami:

AirTran (no longer providing service since 2001)
American Airlines (no longer providing service since 2001)
American Eagle (daily)
Continental Airlines (daily)
Falcon Air (couple of time a week)
Gulfstream (Continental Express) (daily)
LAB (no longer providing service since 2003)
Miami Air (sometimes)
United Airlines (only on Saturdays)


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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:54 am

American Eagle (daily)

American Airlines (Eagle actually) provides as many as 14 daily charter flights between Miami and Cuba.

The day that the US-Cuba air market is opened up, the likely carriers to get first dibs (I doubt it will be Open Skies right away) are American Airlines and Continental, who are the two current largest carriers on the US-Cuba market. AA is waiting very patiently for that day. Just imagine what they and American Eagle could do:

MIA-HAV, MIA-HOG, MIA-CFG, MIA-CMW, MIA-GER, MIA-SCU, MIA-MZO, MIA-VRA, MIA-VAO, MIA-CCC, MIA-CYO

The major ones (HAV, HOG, SCU, CFG, CMW) would most likely get some FLL flights too. Plus some HAV flights to Orlando, Newark, Tampa, O'Hare, Dallas, and JFK.
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aifos
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Wed Jan 21, 2004 2:07 pm

Av8rDAL,

Fidel Castro is losing his machismo as a despot/dictator and he could very well be overthrown in a coup d'etat or he could simply keel over one day due to all those cigars he's been smoking.




Hey Dude, your analysis on Cuba's current political situation is quite amazing. I think you would simply be better off saying that the US embargo never worked while Fidel castro has seen a dozen American presidents since 1959!!!


Stop talking of machismo, for God's sake, he is 76! Some cancer will probably soon do a better job than the CIA did for... over 40 years!


Also remember the power (and bitterness) of the Cubans from Miami which over the year never did anything clever but have thrown lots of money on the US political arena. Sometimes helping out a lot in the close election of a president...


Remember, in politics, there's what you see and what you don't see....
But this has nothing to see with Airliners.net!
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C
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airliner777
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:58 am

"Also remember the power (and bitterness) of the Cubans from Miami which over the year never did anything clever but have thrown lots of money on the US political arena. Sometimes helping out a lot in the close election of a president..."


You are so right about this one brother! I just hate to listen to WQBA and other radio stations here in Miami, who the only thing they know what to do is criticize the regime, and nothing else!


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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:42 am

Excuse me. Maybe if someone in your family had been shot in the head, or imprisoned, you might feel the same way. People seem so willing to ignore all the terrible things that have happened under the Cuban regime. Also, imagine that today, some thugs come to your door, tell you to get out of your house, and take away your job, your friends and your family and they either imprison you or send you to the sugar cane fields for a few years, "voluntarily" of course. All this because you may have said you don't agree with the lack of freedom of speech, or assembly or all of the other things that are taken for granted in western democracies. Remember, Cubans are not even allowed to go into the tourist hotels. They are watched constantly by the "Committees for The Defense of The Revolution", which are block committees that report to the police any "suspicious" activity. And just because Fidel Castro dies, doesn't mean that his cronies are going to give up their power so easily. They have a lot at stake, particularly if others want to hold them accountable for what they have done.
 
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:10 pm

Kellmark: You said it all in a short post! I totally agree with you too!!

ABAJO FIDEL!

DOWN WITH THE REGIME!!!


....ok, back to Aviation.  Big grin
 
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:37 pm

good to see some folks who know whats really happening, glad to see you posting under this thread Adel (i knew you would contribute  Big grin lol

Kellmark couldn't have said it more detailed for those who have heard the name Cuba but dont have a clue why it's so isolated, why not more flights to/from there and yet its right outside of the U.S.'s doorsteps

I'd be glad to see all the american carriers go there but service from EWR and such, i dont know, most of the Cuban population NJ had has left to Florida and other places. What i woud not want to see are egotistical and unethical businessmen from Miami going over there trying to take the place over with only $$$ in mind and turn the place into another Miami or Hialeah..
 
aifos
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RE: Airliners From The US In Cuba

Sun Jan 25, 2004 2:49 pm

Sorry Airliner 777, No one said here Arriba Fidel either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am so surprised by this sudden tone and that really shows where the problem is...

I remember as a teenager being in the Playa del Este area (12 miles east of Havana) . At the beach, on my short waves radio, I could hear both Radio Reloj (the voice of the regime) and the crap coming right down from Miami. I am still smiling at this moment as it sums up all the drama and fate of this beautiful island.
I have traveled so many times deep into the country (by private car, bus, truck, train) even to some forbidden areas, talked to hundreds of people, stayed into family homes and share the reality of a communist country. It is not a pretty sight.

How many people making these stupid comments on site or simply belonging to the wealthy disapora of Miami can actually say the same? There is so much bitterness on both parts. So many generations got the problem wrong and were educated in such a way that they only can hate each other. So cool down, read as much as you can on the subject from as many sources as you can and try to go there as soon as you will be allowed to!

Suerte,
Se despide,

Chris
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