atcboy73
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STL-another Way To Think About What May Come W/ AA

Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:43 am

Im not sure if this angel has been talked about before but Id like to see what you guys think.

AA operates approximately 55 flights a day at STL and Eagle only operates service (along with AA) on the STL-LGA route. The majority of the AA operation is operated by carriers other than AA or Eagle. These carriers would be Trans States Airlines, Corporate Express and Chautauqua.

If AA decides to eliminate all operations, other than service to DFW, ORD and MIA there are still three other carriers operating at STL. What is stopping these carriers from working with another airline. It would seem like the AA/Eagle operation would be easy to replace. There are a few airlines that have a good number of a/c that will be available, like Air Tran or Frontier. Who knows, this industry is always surprising me. Maybe even Jet Blue or Spirit could take advantage of the situation.

I don't mean for this topic to be about AA bashing or, who would or would not replace them. I also don't mean for this to be another one of those, STL cant support a hub like it used to threads.

I have always said that STL can support a hub or base what ever you want to call it. The hubbing/basing carriers just needs cost that would be low enough for the airline to make a profit.

What I am wondering is, am I right on? Do you think it would be easy to replace AA if they further reduced service? Are there some kind of contract limitations?

The gates are there and they will soon be empty so the new carrier wouldn't have to wait for gates.

What do you think?
 
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RE: STL-another Way To Think About What May Come W/ AA

Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:51 am

Did you see this?

Press Release Source: American Airlines


American Airlines and AmericanConnection to Add Flights From St. Louis
Tuesday January 20, 7:12 pm ET
American Continues to Restructure Mid-Continent Operations; Airline Executives 'Encouraged' By Early Financial Results


ST. LOUIS, Jan. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- American Airlines and AmericanConnection carriers are pleased to announce they will increase service from St. Louis' Lambert International Airport in coming weeks. The newest flights come after the airline's mid-Continent hub had its second consecutive month of favorable performance numbers as the result of a November hub restructuring.
"A lot of customers traveled through St. Louis for the holidays and we are pleased that they remained committed to American," said Dan Garton, American's executive vice president - Marketing. "We have made flight schedule changes -- and we will continue to do so -- to ensure that we meet the level of demand of travelers in the St. Louis market."

Earlier this month, AmericanConnection added a fifth flight from St. Louis to Boston. As previously announced American will launch Super 80 jet service between St. Louis and Washington, D.C. on Jan. 31 and AmericanConnection will resume flying to Oklahoma City with three daily flights.

Additionally, on Jan. 31, AmericanConnection will add a flight from St. Louis to Atlanta and two additional flights to Philadelphia. On Feb. 29, AmericanConnection will add a sixth daily flight to Newark and two more flights to San Antonio, bringing to five the flights each day to that Texas city.

On March 2, AmericanConnection will add a third daily flight from St. Louis to Hartford, Connecticut; a third daily flight to Joplin, Missouri; and a Saturday-only flight to Orlando, Florida. The Orlando flight is available for sale starting Sunday, Jan 25.

"As some other routes have not developed as planned or hoped, we will reduce or cancel service to those less profitable markets," Garton added. "We will make adjustments as needed to ensure that St. Louis remains a profitable hub."

AmericanConnection will discontinue its two daily round trip flights to Lafayette, Indiana on Feb. 15. That same day, AmericanConnection service to Owensboro, Kentucky will be reduced from three flights to two flights a day. On March 2, service to Charlotte, N.C. will be reduced to two daily flights. On April 4, American will discontinue its single flight from St. Louis to Phoenix and will make a seasonal reduction in service to Tampa from two flights to one flight a day. Phoenix and Tampa passengers will still be able to make connections through American's Dallas/Ft. Worth and Chicago hubs.

Today, American, American Eagle and AmericanConnection carriers serve St. Louis with 211 flights a day to 64 destinations. In March, the carriers will serve St. Louis with 214 flights to 64 destinations.

The following schedules reflect local time and * marks the new flights:

From St. Louis to Boston Effective Jan. 6:
Depart Arrive Aircraft Type
7:00 a.m. 10:33 a.m. Regional Jet
8:27 a.m. 12:02 p.m. Regional Jet *
1:55 p.m. 5:25 p.m. Super 80
5:25 p.m. 8:55 p.m. Regional Jet
6:45 p.m. 10:15 p.m. Super 80

From St. Louis to Atlanta effective Jan. 31:
Depart Arrive Aircraft Type
7:35 a.m. 10:13 a.m. Regional Jet
10:30 a.m. 1:10 p.m. Regional Jet
2:00 p.m. 4:45 p.m. Regional Jet
3:30 p.m. 6:15 p.m. Regional Jet *
5:20 p.m. 8:00 p.m. Regional Jet
8:10 p.m. 10:53 p.m. Regional Jet

From St. Louis to Philadelphia effective Jan. 31:
Depart Arrive Aircraft Type
6:00 a.m. 9:18 a.m. Regional Jet
8:30 a.m. 11:50 a.m. Regional Jet
10:13 a.m. 1:25 p.m. Regional Jet *
12:15 p.m. 3:27 p.m. Regional Jet
2:10 p.m. 5:35 p.m. Regional Jet
6:35 p.m. 9:57 p.m. Regional Jet

From St. Louis to Newark effective Feb. 29:
Depart Arrive Aircraft Type
7:14 a.m. 10:32 a.m. Regional Jet
9:34 a.m. 12:44 p.m. Regional Jet
11:36 a.m. 3:01 a.m. Regional Jet
1:31 p.m. 4:56 p.m. Regional Jet
3:30 p.m. 6:55 p.m. Regional Jet *
6:55 p.m. 10:15 p.m. Regional Jet

From St. Louis to San Antonio effective Feb. 29:
Depart Arrive Aircraft Type
7:30 a.m. 9:50 a.m. Regional Jet
10:55 a.m. 1:20 p.m. Regional Jet *
1:41 p.m. 4:11 p.m. Regional Jet
6:00 p.m. 8:25 p.m. Regional Jet
8:00 p.m. 10:25 p.m. Regional Jet *

From St. Louis to Hartford effective Mar. 2:
Depart Arrive Aircraft Type
8:15 a.m. 11:40 a.m. Regional Jet *
12:00 p.m. 3:23 p.m. Regional Jet
8:10 p.m. 11:35 p.m. Regional Jet

From St. Louis to Joplin, Missouri effective Mar. 2:
Departs Arrives Aircraft Type
9:29 a.m. 10:50 a.m. Jetstream 41 *
2:12 p.m. 3:33 p.m. Jetstream 41
6:45 p.m. 8:08 p.m. Jetstream 41

From St. Louis to Orlando, Florida effective Mar. 2:
Depart Arrive Aircraft Type
7:30 a.m. 10:36 a.m. Boeing 757
10:10 a.m. 1:30 p.m. Regional Jet - Sat only *
3:14 p.m. 6:20 p.m. Boeing 757



In order to make connections easier and travel more convenient for customers, American continues with preparations to consolidate all jet operations in the C Concourse at Lambert International Airport by mid- February. American, which now operates from 11 gates in the north side of C Concourse, will be joined there in mid-February by American Eagle and AmericanConnection. Today, they operate from 10 gates in the D Concourse.

Additionally, at Lambert Airport it is no longer necessary for customers to carry their checked bags to Transportation Security Administration screeners. A change in the baggage check-in procedure at St. Louis, that was introduced in December, allows customer to check-in at the curb or at one of the Self-Service Check-In machines and drop off their checked bags with American personnel before proceeding directly to the security checkpoint.

American Airlines is the world's largest carrier. American, American Eagle and the AmericanConnection regional carriers serve more than 250 cities in over 40 countries with more than 3,900 daily flights. The combined network fleet numbers more than 1,000 aircraft. American's award-winning Web site, AA.com, provides users with easy access to check and book fares, plus personalized news, information and travel offers. American Airlines is a founding member of the oneworld Alliance.

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RE: STL-another Way To Think About What May Come W/ AA

Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:53 am

Chautauqua and Trans State airlines are under contract to operate as American Connection for AA. I don't know how long those contracts are for, but until they expire, they won't be flying as anything but American Connection.
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LambertMan
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RE: STL-another Way To Think About What May Come W/ AA

Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:59 am

Atcboy, I think you are jumping the gun a little bit. It seems as though AA is happy with STL's performance, it appears they are even turning a modest profit out of the operation. I'm still waiting for that second SAN flight...... Sleepy
 
as739x
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RE: STL-another Way To Think About What May Come W/ AA

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:15 am

Some good rumors for you STL people. I literally just spoke with one of our AS pilots that is in the HQ a lot. He told me that STL is much closer to the top of new city's list. Maybe you could see some SEA-STL service soon. I would not rule out LAX-STL with the way we have been bulking up LAX. Maybe the rumor will be true!
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LambertMan
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RE: STL-another Way To Think About What May Come W/ AA

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:22 am

 Wow! I would die to see one of those eskimo men sitting at one of those A gates. I would assume that before anything that ATL is an almost no brainer for AS. What about MCI? I would like to see them get some consideration for a new flight also. Showin a little intra-state love. Big thumbs up
 
atcboy73
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RE: STL-another Way To Think About What May Come W

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:26 am

Ya, I know it may look like I am jumping the gun a little.

I was just looking at all the STL ops yesterday on flytecomm and noticed what a lot of other people may know, that being, that AA doesn't operate the majority of flights from STL now.

It is looking like they (AA) are happier with the new operation and that is good. If it is making money that is even better.

But if low fare competition continues to lower yields, or if another carrier (one with lower costs) adds flights on some of AA's routes from STL, AA may pull back even more.

And that is the whole reason for my topic. I truly believe, more now than ever before that if AA reduces anymore, its not the end.

Why, because there are plenty of gates available and their is a feed system that is already in place. Provided their are not contractual obligations that would stop such a situation.
 
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RE: STL-another Way To Think About What May Come W/ AA

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:33 am

I would not rule out LAX-STL with the way we have been bulking up LAX. Maybe the rumor will be true!


STL-LAX is soon to be saturated with AA, WN and F9 joining the fray. Don't see AS getting in the mix there. How bout a STL-SEA-ANC???
 
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RE: STL-another Way To Think About What May Come W/ AA

Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:05 am


Glad to hear this press release because of the rumors (again) of STL-DTW. Back in September I remember I mentioned about four daily RJs rumor for STL-DTW in January... now two weeks ago I got an E-mail regarding two daily RJ flights in April.

 
LambertMan
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RE: STL-another Way To Think About What May Come W/ AA

Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:34 am

I was under the impression that DTW was dropped due to low yields as it has a little over 1,000 pax on it everyday, so we know there isn't a problem filling the planes. It would be interesting to see if AA would like to go up against NW and WN one more time. I don't mean to pry, but are your sources good? Big thumbs up
 
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RE: STL-another Way To Think About What May Come W/ AA

Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:42 am


LambertMan,

Yeah, the yield on the route was terrible, just from my own experience when checking in passengers for that flight and overlooking the hundreds of fares.

The loads though were good however, better than ORD and DFW in many cases. I don't think it is so much NW, but rather WN. If it was only NW and AA on this route, you would think they would charge a higher fare and not really "compete" against each other (major vs. major).

As for sources? I'm not saying I have solid facts (re: rumors), but you hear things and your not sure if your allowed to say or not. I'm sure there are a lot of us here that bite our tongues.  Smile
 
as739x
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RE: STL-another Way To Think About What May Come W/ AA

Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:53 am

BHMNONREV-Don't rule out LAX. We do codeshare with AA remember, so the possibility of 1 AS flight is there. F9 will operate 2 flights and WN is 1 flight. If we fly along side AA and get feed the feasiblity is there. Not that saturated! We have placed lots of concentration on LAX expansion. Of course gate space being a big problem. Like I said above it is only rumor!
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