MileHighClub
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TAP Air Portugal In Macau

Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:05 pm

I've been in Macau for a while now, and I've just heard that TAP used to fly an A340 direct Lisbon to Macau, perhaps via BKK.

Does anyone have some info about this flight. Is it still a route that they fly (no info on their website), and if not, how were their loads like and was commercial viability of the route throughly examined or was this a political move to trump the opening of the new airport before the handover to China. Anyone with info on flight times, routing, and ticket prices(!) I would also be very interested to hear from.

It seems that TAP does not fly to any Asian destinations anymore. Apart from Macau and possible BKK, did they fly to any other Asian destinations?
 
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RE: TAP Air Portugal In Macau

Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:07 pm

I fogot to add, that there is a pretty busy TAP Booking office in the centre of Macau - drove past it the other day, but unfortunately wasnt able to go in and ask them if they still had flights to/from Macau.
 
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RE: TAP Air Portugal In Macau

Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:09 pm

Actually, I seem to remember that they used to fly via Brussels. Not sure if it went via BKK too.
 
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RE: TAP Air Portugal In Macau

Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:10 pm

Actually, I seem to remember that they used to fly via Brussels. Not sure if it went via BKK too.
 
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RE: TAP Air Portugal In Macau

Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:49 pm


TAP flew the Lisbon-Macau route twice or three times weekly via Brussels in code-share with Sabena for about a year. As the loads were so dramatically low, the route via BRU was abolished in favor of a flight via Bangkok. TAP subsequently withdrew from Macau in 1999.

 
MAH4546
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RE: TAP Air Portugal In Macau

Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:08 pm

Here's the whole story from this excellent website:

http://airtransportbiz.free.fr/Networks/TAPMFM.html
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gardermoen
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RE: TAP Air Portugal In Macau

Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:09 pm

TAP launched the route when MFM was opened (1995?) with two weekly LIS-BKK-MFM A340 services. It was purely a political operation to show case the colonial power in its last few years in the region.
I remember seeing a photo of the opening of MFM and TAP actually had TWO of its A340s down at MFM - definetly showing off its presence in its colony.

Anyway the route had extremely low loads and was abolished a few years later (surprise surprise).
However as someone else pointed out, I do recall Brussels fitting into the picture somewhere. I think this was towards the latter part of the operation as LIS-BKK-MFM was not working, they though that including BRU will be a revenue earner, as neither SN nor TG were flying BRU-BKK themselves.

Having said that, I still feel that somewhere, TAP could do something inthe eastern part of the world. Iberia doesnt seem to have any presence in Asia anymore, and I think that TAP could market Lisbon as a new Euro hub, as a cheaper way to the UK, Spain and France (wouldnt really work for the rest of Europe as it would mean back tracking).
If they focused on say, BKK and SIN, or even KUL and slowly built up a reputation for feeding pax through LIS, it might just work. It would open up more tourist traffic between the Iberian peninsula and Asia/Australia as well, not to mention increased business links.
And with Portugal being one of the cheapest holiidays to country in Europe, it surely should attract a fair share of tourists from this part of the world.
Anwyay that's what I think..
 
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RE: TAP Air Portugal In Macau

Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:31 pm

GARDERMOEN

I AGREE 200% WITH YOUR LAST PARAGRAPH.

But I think they started with LIS-BRU-MFM and then changed to LIS-BKK-MFM.
 
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RE: TAP Air Portugal In Macau

Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:10 pm

Woulld using an A310 have made any difference?
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gardermoen
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RE: TAP Air Portugal In Macau

Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:38 pm

I think the A310 could possibly have worked if it was via the Middle East .But I think overall the issue with Macau was a lack of market base.

TAP1972, I think a 2-3 weekly KUL/SIN A340 service could work, either non-stop or via the Middle East.
I doubt very much anything like this is remotely on the cards, as it would mean additional A340s to the fleet, and TAP arent contemplating this.
Out of curiosity, do you know if Portugal attracts many tourists from Asia? Whenever I have been there I hardly see any at all.
 
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RE: TAP Air Portugal In Macau

Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:10 pm

These do not show a regular flight but it shows that the were there...

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RE: TAP Air Portugal In Macau

Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:33 pm

Gardermoen

Another alternative could be through India. The community here is relatively large.

In terms of tourism, in the summer or holiday season frequently we see some excursions of Japanese tourists. However, UK, Ireland, Germany, Netherlands, the Nordic countries, France, Spain, Belgium, Italy are the origin countries for most of the tourists in Portugal. Everybody looking for the good weather and the sunny beaches of the Algarve (specially UK tourists).