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Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:49 pm

Which airlines are going all-airbus??? Why do many carriers like NW, SAA,IB switching to all-airbus, and few or none are going all Boeing from Airbus in the future?? What's going on???
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:02 pm

Airlines that are already all-airbus... SriLankan Airlines, TAP Air Portugal, Air Tahiti Nui, MEA not sure of any more..

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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:19 pm


Indian Airlines will go all-Airbus soon when they start recieving new A319s, A320s and A321s (43 new aircraft need to be ordered)

They will retire

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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:23 pm

Then there are also JetBlue and - soon - Frontier...

The simple reason why there are more airlines going all-Airbus than all-Boeing is quite simple: Boeing has been around longer, so most airlines are bound to have Boeings (or McDDs) on their fleets: very few airlines started out with an "all-Airbus" fleet, so there are potentially very few airlines that even could do the transition from all-Airbus to all-Boeing, while there are undoubtedly more airlines that could (and I'm stressing the "could" here) do a transition from all-Boeing (or all-Boeing/McDD) to all-Airbus.

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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:33 pm

Leskova - I congratulate you on a sensible reply to this post. We all know that before too long some people on this forum will get into the nonsensical political stuff, so nice to see that you got there first with a reasoned response. I'm putting you on my respected list.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:35 pm


Air France has every Airbus variant available to date....A318, A319, A320, A321, A330, A340 and in 2006 A380  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:41 pm

I believe US Airways' long-range fleet plan is to have only Airbus aircraft making up the mainline fleet.
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:45 pm

Usairways short range plan is to make the next payment for their aircraft.  Big grin
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:49 pm

Bmi is all AIR BOSS fleet. I prefer B744's.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:50 pm

Well, JetBlue has of course ordered Embraers, so they won't be all-airbus for much longer.

Qatar airways is all Airbus (A319CJ, A320, A321 on order, A300, A330-200, A330-300 on order, A340-200 for VIP, A430-500 for VIP, A340-600 on order, A380 on order)

There are any number of small airlines that you could say are all Airbus, like Air Arabia at Sharjah, who just operate a few A320 family.

Thinking about this, I suspect that QR is the largest all Airbus airline out there (willing to be corrected on that). However, most large airlines will nearly always have a mix of types from different manufacturers.
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:58 pm

Druk Air - Royal Bhutan Airlines: exchanging their 2x BAe 146s for 2x A319s in 2004
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:16 pm

While NW was the first to receive the A320 family in the US, they are NOT an all Airbus shop and not going to become one. Plenty of 747's, 757's in the fleet (including brand new 753's) not to mention the countless DC9's and DC10's on the property.
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:17 pm

TAP's fleet is all Airbus

A319, A320, A321, A310, A340
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:20 pm

Sabena was going for full airbus. RIP
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:32 pm

By the end of 2005 Jetstar will be all A320s,
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:46 pm

What's going on???

Nothing special, the companies are just choosing their planes.
Now that Airbus and Boeing are at the same level in term of sales, it would make sense to see more all-Airbus companies. During decades many companies were all-Boeing by a lack of competition.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:09 pm



Aer Lingus will soon be all Airbus in another year or so once it replaces its remaining Boeing 737s.

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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:11 pm


Don't forget that Ryanair are an all Boeing Airline


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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:49 pm

"Bmi is all AIR BOSS fleet. I prefer B744's"

Not yet they aren't - they still have a few F100s, and they still operate 737s under bmiBaby.#

I guess one of the reasons for an all bus fleet is the similarity between their different models.

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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:59 pm

Dont forget BMIs ERJs  Big grin
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:41 pm

Yeh I agree with RyanairA320 because Aer Lingus bought loads of A320 not that long ago and the are going to replace the 737´s with them so after this happens... Aer Lingus will have A320,321,330,... and that´s it I think.

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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:46 pm

True about bmi's ERJs - I missed them out because they are BMI regional, but under that logic should have left out bmiBaby too.

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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:24 pm

TAM is phasing out its Fokker F-100s, so that would leave it with an all-Airbus fleet. (A-319s,320s, and 330s for long haul flights).
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:51 pm

MEA (Middle East Airlines) from Lebanon has an all airbus fleet

3 A330
6 A321

They also have the youngest fleet in the world with the average plane's age at around 8 months now!
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:53 pm

NW is NOT going to be an all Airbus fleet. They just finished receiving new 757-300 and are still in the process of receiving new CRJ's for their commuter Pinnacle. They will always have a mixed fleet.

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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:05 pm

TACA seems to be all Airbus; Lan Chile is increasing Airbus, however they also have 737's and 767's.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:18 am

Why do AC, EI, F9 and US(if they survive) come to mind?  Big grin
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:13 am

Dragon Air (excluding their Cargo division) is all Airbus.
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:33 am

Going with an all Airbus fleet is very attractive to many airlines due to the high degree of commonality between the narrow-body A320 family and the wide-body A330/A340 family in cockpit configuration, plus the A330/A340 family can use the same interiors, cargo containers and share many common components. Combine those facts with the efficiency, quality and reliability track records these aircraft have built up in their years of service and it's not hard to see why airlines would see an all Airbus fleet as an asset.

Leskova also raised a very valid point, Boeing and McD. Douglas have been around for longer than Airbus, any all Airbus airlines became so recently so they won't be replacing their new aircraft any time soon. I've said before and I'll say it again, Airbus' strategy of having just one narrow body width and (until the A380 hits the airways) one widebody width is an excellent marketing move and it helps airlines save money.

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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:52 am

SWISS has entire AIRBUS fleet! B744 RULES! :->
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:11 am

I'm not sure if SN has ALL Scarebus, but if not, darn close.  Big grin
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:22 am

It's a good thing. It shortens the list of airlines I'll fly on. Southwest excluded.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:28 am

Airbus have a complete product line, whereas Boeing are starting to have gaps. Sure if an airline wanted 737s, 757s, 767s, 777s and 747s, that's a complete family. The two problems with it are 1. each aircraft has a different typerating, where the entire Airbus family is a single rating with some 'differences' training; and 2. no-one wants to buy planes that are about to go out of production (ie 757, 767, maybe even 747) because their value will fall much faster than if the aircraft is from a line that has a decade or two left in it (A318 through A380 inclusive).
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:45 am

At some point I believed MX would become an all-Airbus carrier. Now I realize that's not the case. Anyway, do you know if they are planning to get rid of their F100's and 757's? I think the F100's are great planes, but perhaps MX could replace them with A318's in order to achieve more fleet commonality (and its regional affiliate AeroCaribe/AeroCozumel could very well use the old F100's). If MX does that and gets rid of its 757's, then the narrowbody fleet of MX would be all-Airbus. I also remember reading in another thread that the 763's that MX is scheduled to receive (it has already received one and the same is operational) are ex SK aircraft and are only temporary solutions for the long-haul routes of MX such as EZE. Does anybody know if such 763's will eventually be replaced with 772's, 7E7's or A330's?

I am not sure about whether being an all-Airbus or an all-Boeing carrier is such a good idea. My point is that, if an airline has a mixed fleet and decides to replace, say, its Boeing planes, Airbus will be very aggressive and will very likely offer good discounts. If the airline goes with that, the next step is that such airline will retrain all its non-Airbus pilots and, in the medium or long term, the airline's costs will go down due to this "fleet commonality" (maintenance costs for example). However, after a few years, when it is time to replace the older Airbuses, Airbus will no longer have an incentive to offer the airline a sweet deal, because the airline is already stuck with Airbus. If the airline instead decides to buy Boeings, then it might get a good price, but it will have to invest a lot of money certifying its pilots again and will now have higher maintenance costs. Well, at least that's my opinion. Of course I could be totally wrong.
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:52 am

Nope, SWISS doesn't have an entire Airbus fleet  Smile They also operate the Saab 2000, Embraer 145, MD83 and MD11 (MD83/11 to be retired this year). Germanwings and Volare Airlines have an all-Airbus fleet.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:04 am

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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:08 am

Another reason for many airlines going Airbus is that they are much cheaper then Boeing acft. I am NOT saying that they are cheaply built or designed, but that Boeing charges a whole lot more. I do expect to see the price gap close soon as Airbus won't have to give away planes anymore. Boeing management really need to get over the fact that they aren't always going to be #1 and lower the costs and priced of their acft.

FYI- I am pro-Boeing, but would never purposely mock someone or Airbus, as it is a sign of stupidity and arrogance.


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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:34 am

Lest we forget Royal Jordanian. A320, A310, and A340.........I doubt we shall see any new Boeing aircraft with a "D3" customer code in the near future!

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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:45 am

Are IB, OS, RJ, TU, MX, (eventually) taking the all-Airbus fleet path too?
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:45 am

AC is NOT going all Airbus.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:33 am

In my opinion, it's a bit more complex than "Boeing's been around longer". In my opinion, Boeing lost the race for the single aisle aircraft to Airbus. It seems the only airlines that are buying 737's these days are LCC's and little more. If companies are buying A31X's/A32X's for their short range needs, it only makes sense to also buy Airbus for their wide-body needs.
If Boeing had built a true competitor to the A31X/A32X, we might have seen airlines replacing old 737's with new Boeing's. Instead, they're being replaced with new Airbuses.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:54 am

Airbazar, I don't believe that Boeing has lost the single Aisle race to Airbus, because of two reasons the first is that the 737 has been sold 5383 times Airbuses total fleet sold is at 4886. It is for a reason the 737 has been around a whole lot longer. The 737NG has been sold 2251. I don't think that Airbus has captured the single aisle market. Orders for both the A32x, and the 737 are mostly to LCC's. Really it wont be decided till either company goes bully up and there is probably no way Airbus will go belly up, but Boeing is in a more awkward position.

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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:08 am

Air Jamaica also is all Airbus.

A310, (soon to be phased out) A320, A321 & A340
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:30 am

At least KLM and Delta are all still Boeing.
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:51 am

The US Federal Government would never let Boeing go belly up, any political party would do anything to save the company or establish a new semi-owned US Aerospace company like EADS to own the Boeing designs.


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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:54 am

How can I forget Westjet, also all-Boeing and probably always will be.
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:00 am

Frontiers4ever, I often hear that but the fact is what matters is the number of aircraft sold in the last 5-10 years. The fact that Boeing has sold 5000+ 737's has little baring in this issue because a great number of them were sold long before the A32X was established as a true competitor. The 737 might still have larger market share but it's losing it fast, and that's the point I was trying to make. Fewer 737's are being bought, than A31X/A32X's.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:16 am

I tend to think that in some time from now LanChile will become all-airbus. They will need at some moment to replace their 767s, and as they already have A320s and A340s, they surely will think in the A330 .
 
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:21 am

Britannia is an all boeing airline and i don think they have any plans to add any Airbus's to there fleet,

just thought i would point that out  Big grin
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RE: Which Airlines Are Going All-airbus

Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:27 am

EK413,

You are right, Air France is the only airline in the world to operate or have operated ALL Airbus types since the beginning of Airbus adventures in the early 70's :
A300, A310,A318/19/20/21, A330, A340. and the only Airline to operate all the variant of the A320 family ( A318, A319, A320, A321).

But with a fleet strong of 25 B737-500, 25 B777-200ER, 16 B777-300ER on order, 15 B747-400 PAX (the 16th will join the fleet newt June ), 5 B747-200 and 4 B747-300 + 10 B747-200F and 3 B747-400ER F : I don't think we can consider AF as an "all Airbus" operator. AF has always been, and will always be, a very faithful customer of Boeing.