LHR001
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United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:32 pm

On a search for San Francisco to Bangkok on 23 October:

United Airlines 837

San Francisco 1130am
Tokyo/Narita 210pm

Tokyo/Narita 625pm
Bangkok 1050pm


This seems ridiculous that United Airlines would show the same flight number for a flight that is departing 4 hours and 15 minutes later. Understanding that this is a through or direct flight. Without a doubt you will be made to change aircraft in Tokyo! Yes, it is true many airlines offers direct and connecting flights with the same flight number... 4 hours and 15 Minutes is stretching it a bit!



LHR001

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LAXintl
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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:41 pm

Just gives you more time to enjoy the automatic beer machines at the Red Carpet Club.
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Cessna172RG
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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:59 pm

If it's the same plane, take into account fueling time, cleaning and catering time, etc. SFO-NRT is not just a small walk in a park, and NRT to Bangkok is like another 5 hour flight on top of that.

Each time I fly overseas, after we deplane, the interior is a mess! Garbage here, wrappers there, blankets all over the place. Imagine a full crew combing through the rows carefully, cleaning out the pockets, redoing the magazines and goodies in the pockets, etc...
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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:14 pm

Lhr001

I before E except after C.

In jest
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mymiles2go
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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:11 am

I'm sure you're aware that Tokyo is a hub for United, futhering that concept, hubs often have "hub times" - or times when a large number of flights converge on that hub at a particular time, then depart from that hub at a particular time. In this case, UA837 arrival from San Fran happens to represent roughly the begining of the Tokyo daily hub time, and it's departure to Bangkok happens to represent the end of that daily hub time. By roughly 6:30 (depending on Season) basically all United flights will have left Tokyo for the evening.

Most United flights tend to arrive between 2-3:30, and most United flights tend to depart between 5-6:30PM. Keep in mind that arriving into NRT can often encounter quite lengthly air traffic delays, not to mention the fact that simply flying 5,000 miles across the ocean can also result in landing times differeing from thier scheduled times.

Based on my numberous times through NRT on United, this length of times is just about right. Gives one enough time to enjoy the more important things in life....like the Tokyo Red Carpet Club's Automatic Beer Machine.
 
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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:13 am

You have to keep in mind that the passengers from other U.S. cities (such as ORD, SEA, JFK, HNL and LAX) may want to connect to that BKK flight as well. These US arrivals are spread out between 2pm-5pm local time and UA's Asian departures begin after 5pm. There has to be a little bit of flexibility for all US cities-Narita-Asia connection to take place.

In most cases, it is not impossible to turn a long haul international arrival around in 2 hours at Narita. I have seen occasional an hour and half turn around on delayed arrival aircraft.

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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:26 am

Always something about United you don't like LH001,Keep up the good work(on whining about something)



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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:46 am

I don't like the way UAL has continued to have planes in the air. They should be out of buisness.

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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:55 am

No, actually you forgot something UALPHLCS...

"I don't like the way UAL has continued to have planes in the air. They should be out of buisness.
I can't wait to see the new c/s
here's an entire schedule of UA's Asian operations.......
I'm terribly busy being in real estate in Vegas
and yes, I worked for a fabulous international air carrier that doesn't exist
I love stirring up trouble
I think it's time to change my username and profile again"

Just my observations of his behavior over the past few months

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LImamura
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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:51 am

Usually UA gives several options for passengers going to Bangkok.
From SFO, UA has 2 flight daily to NRT, so even though UA837 is listed as a flight going SFO/NRT/BKK, it would be more wise to take UA853, which is the second flight that depart to NRT then you will arrive in NRT around 5pm making less waiting time in NRT for the UA837 flight to BKK, which departs at 6:35pm now. If you don't believe me look it up on the web and for sure in most cases they will give you more than just that one option with UA.

I guess you should be very glad that you are not flying on other carrier's making connections through NRT because some of the connections makes you wait all day since at NRT the European bound flights generally leave in the morning and USA flights leave in the evening and some connections are geared for the European flights.
 
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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:02 am

What exactly is 'deceiving' about the long layover?
 
SegmentKing
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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:03 am

I'll check my IATA rule books, but I believe there are no restrictions for same flight number on different segments in terms of layover.

I'll bet ya that a quick search of Northwest shows they do the same thing...

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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:32 pm

Northwest does it...

Flight 7, at least two years ago, was like this...

MEM-SEA, 757
SEA-NRT, 742
NRT-SEL, 742 (same plane I think according to the arrival announcement I once heard)

I have flown Flight 7 from MEM to SEA once, and on other occasions, flight 7 from SEA to NRT. But never to Seoul.

Mind you, this was two years ago, so I do not know if the schedule is the same. Maybe it was 3 years ago...2001 sounds about right.
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LHR001
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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:16 pm

FA4UA,


This has nothing to do with hatred or anything against Unted... This is just a simple question as to how long or what restrictions constitute a direct flight versus a connecting flight on U.S. carriers!

Dont be so defensive..... I have flown United many times and continue to do so... As I am a Varig Smiles member. Furthermore, I support United and continue to choose United over low cost alternatives such as WN, and B6!



LHR001

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JBirdAV8r
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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:21 pm

And you haven't either, LHR001.  Big grin
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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:26 pm

NW is currently doing the same thing with Flight 27 -- SFO-NRT, ~2.5 hours and a new airplane, then NRT-BKK. I think it's done because it has marketing advantages.

Same reason that CO 6/7 have at times gone to/from MIA (going MIA-IAH-NRT).

Gotta be a real surprise to the folks inbound when, post customs, they get on a 737 after flying in the 777  Smile

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RE: United Airlines 837 - Decieving

Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:26 pm

LHR - if you have such strong feelings AGAINST UA, why are you looking up their schedule to BKK and scrutinizing it? I am sure you have other options in regards to air service to BKK. Perhaps you should refocus your energy on finding that alternative carrier/routing instead of continuing to whine about UA? I am surethat you will be a happier person.

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