Matt D
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Why A Hundred Flights To San Diego From Lax?

Tue Jan 18, 2000 7:42 am

Why are there in excess of a hundred flights a day between LAX and SAN using commuter aircraft? Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to run maybe 10 or 15 jets instead? ATC traffic would also be significantly reduced!
 
Bicoastal
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RE: Why A Hundred Flights To San Diego From Lax?

Tue Jan 18, 2000 7:48 am

Matt, such foresight you have. United announced recently that they are going to do just that. They're dropping some if not all of the United Express (your favorite, I know) flights between San Diego and LAX and adding jet service....I assume it'll be United Shuttle 737s. Don't know what American/American Eagle is going to do. They pulled out of Carlsbad for some unknown reason and America West Commuters (another favorite of yours) moved in.

I agree with you on ATC. As SAN's single runway gets more and more congested along with congrestion at LAX, relief will be needed.

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Matt D
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RE: Why A Hundred Flights To San Diego From Lax?

Tue Jan 18, 2000 7:49 am

LOL........
 
Kohflot
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RE: Why A Hundred Flights To San Diego From Lax?

Tue Jan 18, 2000 7:56 am

I've always wondered why Carlsbad has so much service in the first place. SAN can't be more than a half hour drive and SNA's about 40 or so. I also wonder what SkyWest is going to do with all the 120s pulled from these markets..
Ask why..
 
Bicoastal
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RE: Why A Hundred Flights To San Diego From Lax?

Tue Jan 18, 2000 8:22 am

North San Diego County is booming and Carlsbad traffic is growing proportionally. Yes, it's 40 minutes from SAN and about an hour from John Wayne (SNA) BUT that's only if there's NO traffic on California's bumper to bumper freeways. Try getting to San Diego at rush hour or anytime there's a slight fender bender....same thing going north. So, many people living in North San Diego County are choosing to leave the freeway stress at home and fly to LAX or (in the case of America West) to Phoenix to make connections.

Matt, does LOL mean "Lots of luck"!?
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Matt D
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RE: Why A Hundred Flights To San Diego From Lax?

Tue Jan 18, 2000 8:32 am

Close....it means "laughing out loud"...but if I ever decide to brave the likes of United Express or America West again, I'll need LOTS of luck......
and patience too
 
johnboy
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RE: Why A Hundred Flights To San Diego From Lax?

Tue Jan 18, 2000 2:31 pm

Don't forget about the many golfing manufacturers and both the LaCosta and Four Seasons Resorts in Carlsbad.
 
HyperMike
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RE: Why A Hundred Flights To San Diego From Lax?

Tue Jan 18, 2000 4:10 pm

This is a perfect market for Southwest. Once again, they're not out to compete with the other carriers, they want to compete with vehicles.

If they can make it less frustrating and faster than driving, they can probably do it profitably. Yep, they're just plane nuts.
 
Ben2
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RE: Why A Hundred Flights To San Diego From Lax?

Tue Jan 18, 2000 4:19 pm

Bicoastal is correct, UA shuttle just began service to LAX from SAN, offering seven flights per day. Also, Trans States is withdrawing from the west so it'll be interestsing to see who picks up the slack.
 
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RE: Why A Hundred Flights To San Diego From Lax?

Tue Jan 18, 2000 6:52 pm

As disappointing as it is for us SkyWest employees who like to non-rev down to SAN, we're going down to 16 daily flights as UA express...the others are going to UA Shuttle...They couldn't fill the 737s as such they swiped more of our flights in order to fill their flights. Honestly i don't think that was a bit of wise planning....In the time it takes them to get a 737 packed and airborne 3 of our Brasilias could be winging their way south with 30 pax when we ran them every 30 min...In addition to that, UA shuttle wasn't filling their planes and still staffing the flights with all those flight attendants where as we've only got 1 f/a. However i've heard that this is a seasonal gig with UA shuttle. As for Skywest the planes will be dispatched up north and there's talk about us going to operate out of Denver, as well as rumors of taking Delta Connection back in the southern region...We do have a very agreeable contract with UAL though...We all benefit from this contract. So we'll see what happens once Feb rolls around and we're down to 16 daily UAX flights. As for Carlsbad. One must remember it's not necessarily people that want to just fly from CLD to LAX...they're going somewhere beyond LAX....LAX is just the intermediate stop....they don't fly for the convenience of ditching the freeway traffic to LA...LAX is becoming one of UAL's premier west coast hubs.
 
ronen
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Why Not A 180 Mph 800 Passenger Train?

Tue Jan 18, 2000 8:01 pm

?
 
hawaiian717
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RE: Why Not A 180 Mph 800 Passenger Train?

Wed Jan 19, 2000 5:09 am

There does exist train service between San Diego and Los Angeles, it's called the Amtrak San Diegan. The problem is that in Los Angeles it stops at Union Station in downtown LA, which isn't exactly close to LAX. There may be a bus between Union and LAX, but staying on rail lines you would have to take the Metro Red Line subway to another LA station, then the Metro Blue Line to the Metro Green Line, which has a bus running from one station to the terminals at LAX. But you can't have a lot of baggage on the Metro Rail.

Once you've done all that, it's not much more money to just fly (and maybe even cheaper; my next tickets to fly SAN-LAX are only $56 round trip on United Express).

As DC-10 pointed out, most people doing this aren't just flying from SAN to LAX, they're going on somewhere else. I'm one of those people.
 
AmtrakGuy
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RE: Why A Hundred Flights To San Diego From Lax?

Wed Jan 19, 2000 11:27 am

As Hawaii717 said, yes there is Amtrak San Diegan between SAN and Los Angeles. But, this spring, Amtrak will upgrade to a newer train sets and I believe, more frequents (I can't remember)....But, it would be nice if we can setup a link between San Diego Airport to Amtrak San Diego Station as well as Amtrak Union Station downtown (or nearby) to LAX...so we can free up the air space for longer distance flights....and to do some code-sharing with the airlines...one day, we will when it gets to bad at both SAN and LAX.

Dave