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ID90 Tickets

Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:58 pm

Ok, I have to admit i'm jealous because I hear all these stories of airline personnel flying on ID90 tickets.

A couple of questions;

1) Who exactly are entitled to get ID90 tickets? Only airline personnel or travel agents etc. aswell?

2) Is it 100% comp. or a discounted rate?

3) Can you as someone who works for an airline purchase an ID90 for someone else who doesnt work in the airlines?

4) Are ID90 tickets available on all carriers/routes, regardless of which airline you may work for?

5) How do you book these tickets, and is it all flying standby? What are the other conditions attached to these tickets?

Thanks!
 
Akumas
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:00 pm

Sorry, but what is a ID90 ticket?
 
Cessna172RG
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:09 pm

Is that like an L class discount ticket or a Zed fare or S-1 to S-4 ticket?
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SWAFA30
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:21 am

1) Who exactly are entitled to get ID90 tickets? Only airline personnel or travel agents etc. aswell?

Travel agents do receive Interline Discount travel. That is what ID stand for "Interline Discount" the number 90 indicates the percentage off full coach fare.

2) Is it 100% comp. or a discounted rate?

ID90 is 90% percent off so if full coach fare is $1000..the cost of the pass will be $100. Ditto for ID75 and ID50. Many carriers also issue service charge passes where the employee pays a flat $25 or $50 for each 1 way segment. It all depends what is negotiated between carriers.


3) Can you as someone who works for an airline purchase an ID90 for someone else who doesnt work in the airlines?

Employees, parents of employees, and eligible dependents can receive discounted travel. Some carriers have programs in place for domestic partner travel. In some rare cases you can bring a non-dependent friend with you for offline travel.

4) Are ID90 tickets available on all carriers/routes, regardless of which airline you may work for?

No. Every airline negotiates their own reciprocal agreements. Most of the worlds major carriers are usually covered but there are always a few airlines that you will not have privliges on.

5) How do you book these tickets, and is it all flying standby? What are the other conditions attached to these tickets?

Some ID90 and service charge travel is available on a 'walk-up' basis meaning you just walk up to ticket counter with your ID badge and a letter of employment and you are good to go. In most case though you must submit your travel request to your airlines pass bureau who will verify your eligiblity, calculate the fare and issue the passes. Most Interline travel is standby. Sometimes you can pay extra to travel confirmed or "positive space" However, in most cases you could get an advanced purchase regular ticket for less than the "positive space" discount pass. You essentially have no rights when you non-rev You usually receive no compensation for lost bags, delayed or cancelled flight...you are on your own. You are usually the last one to be fed and you have to take whatever is left. Your boarding priority is usually pretty low and you are always taking a risk when you travel on your passes offline. Tick off the wrong ticket agent and a well placed letter to your airline's pass bureau could get your pass priviliges suspended for 6 months a year or forever. You gotta be on your Ps and Qs when you travel non-rev...especially offline.


 
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:24 am

FWIW, most travel agents only receive ID75 pass travel. Some are given the authority to purchase ID90 space-available passes or even AD75 positive-space 75% off passes based on sales volume.

Some carriers (my own included) will even permit the occasional positive-space zero service charge pass for ARC/IATA agents...but they're strictly controlled, and are infrequently given.
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buckfifty
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:51 am

In my part of the world, ID90 is discount based on market fare, not full fare. Only ID50 is actually based on full fare, and it can sometimes be more expensive than buying a ticket from a travel agent.
 
SunValley
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:27 pm

There are a number of carriers that have ID-SVC-Charge passes available also, to industry related personnel. In my profession, we get $20.00 s/c on DL UA AA CO NW HP HA AQ US, $10 s/c on AS F9 FL

[Edited 2004-01-23 04:41:37]
 
SeaMeFly
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:08 am

I don't think most regular customers can handle the pressures of non-reving... They complaints a lot as it is about carriers' service, attitude, FFs, etc.. etc..

When you non-rev using ID90, you're simply part of the wall !! you don't ask/demand for service!! you take whatever you're given to by agents or FAs.. Don't just think about the amount of $ we save, think about the treatments we get from non-reving. I wonder if any of these guys can go 5-10 hours without meals and got stuck in the middle seat.
 
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:17 am

1) Who exactly are entitled to get ID90 tickets? Only airline personnel or travel agents etc. as well?

ID stands for Industry Discount. Travel agents are sometimes eligible to receive ID tickets.. i.e. ID90/75/50 on certain carriers. Airline employees are also eligible to receive ID tickets on other IATA airlines, the discount amount is up to the carrier. Usually it is ID75 or ID90. Handling agents, also receive these tickets on some airlines they handle. I work for a handling agent so I can testify to that.


2) Is it 100% comp. or a discounted rate?

ID90 is 90% percent off so if full coach fare is $1000..the cost of the pass will be $100. Ditto for ID75 and ID50. Many carriers also issue service charge passes where the employee pays a flat $25 or $50 for each 1 way segment. It all depends what is negotiated between carriers.


3) Can you as someone who works for an airline purchase an ID90 for someone else who doesn't work in the airlines?

As SWAFA30 said..... but note the following..

Take US AIrways for example, their staff, domestic partners, dependents, including parents receive ID00 tickets (they just pay applicable taxes). They however are allowed to give out 8 buddy passes per year to whomever they wish. These buddy passes are ID90's for use on US Airways only.

4) Are ID90 tickets available on all carriers/routes, regardless of which airline you may work for?

as SWAFA30 said....

5) How do you book these tickets, and is it all flying standby? What are the other conditions attached to these tickets?

ID90's are booked usually by the carrier who the staff works for. Some carriers would have the passenger check with their staff travel desk though. ID90's are all standby tickets and are usually lower priority code, than the staff of the airline who you have the ID90 ticket for. Normal non-rev rules apply...
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:20 am

Seamefly - "When you non-rev using ID90, you're simply part of the wall !! you don't ask/demand for service!! you take whatever you're given to by agents or FAs"

Isn't that just the same as everyone else flying in coach? (!!!)
 
COIAH99
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:27 am

When I nonrev...I have never not gotten a meal. Most flights have plenty of food to go around if not extra. Yes, it can be awful to sit in a middle seat between two strangers for 5 hours but that's what you get for flying for next to nothing!
Also since your the employee of the airline I sometimes get better service than the paying customers. For ex: Free drinks in coach, an extra meal, headsets, etc.
It can be stressful at times to nonrev but with the right planning it usually goes smooth.
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COIAH99
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:29 am

Just wanted to add....that yes, we do get put up in first class quite a bit. I love sitting next to someone who payed thousands for that ticket and I'm sitting there getting the same service for next to nothing.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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yow
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:29 am

About 90% of the time ID90s are more expensive than a discounted L or Q fare. Zed fares, service charges and ID00s are by far the best. For example, the airline I work for, 7F, we get 4 ID00s per year to use, along with eligible dependents on 7F. We then get unlimited service charge tickets to use...all on a standby basis of course. Then we have the Zed argeements with the likes of AC, LH, CO, etc. Our ID90s agreements generally suck because of the rediculous Y fares most airlines charge.
 
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:30 am

ID travel (at least on a standby basis) is indeed stressful but can be quite fun.

For example, I wanted to fly London-Bahrain on Gulf Air just before Christmas. GF were full, after a lot of running around LHR I got on the last Qatar Airways flight to Doha, got to Doha in the early am, then had to wait until 11pm for the next available flight to Bahrain.....so spent the time by relaxing poolside at the Ritz-Carlton Doha.

Next weekend I'm trying Newcastle-Marseilles, I've got 3 tickets (via Brussels, Paris and London) on three different airlines (SN, AF and BA) to choose from when I know how busy the flights are.

(I'm also researching train times in case I get stuck in either Paris or Brussels!).
 
COIAH99
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:34 am

At CO if you have 10 years or less it costs you $25 r/t. (domestic) Anything over 10 years of service is free (except FC which you have to pay for) Also there is no limit on how many times you can fly. Actually my parents fly a lot more than I do. We also get some zone fares on different airlines but I rarely have had to us it. NW is a pretty good alternative for us. Usually costs us around $30 r/t.
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SegmentKing
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:31 am

ID 90s generally suck, service fee travel is the way to go.

At the last Pass Bureau Association meeting, most of us said we are negotiating ONLY Service-Fee based travel & dumping the ID-90 model. Some airlines are trying hard to join ZED, which is Zonal Employee Discount, which is even cheaper. The good thing about MITA/ZED programs are the tickets are interchangeable, unlike service-fee agreements.

Our airline is not part of ZED nor MITA, and we don't plan on joining. We're pretty small so if one of my employees needs to go somewhere international, I just e-mail the pass bureau manager and it normally gets approved, sometimes it's a service fee, sometimes its an ID-90... just depends on his/her mood at the pass bureau.

In regards to fee-waived travel, that is a bit harder to come by and it just depends on your pass bureau's relationship with the other pass bureau. I have a great relationship with Trans States pass bureau & I've offered to fee-waive trips for them just in the spirit of interlining, plus it makes the employee happier in the end... and some of my guys have flown other airlines for free (Frontier, Spirit, etc)...

Interlining is becoming easier and easier, and I know in some cases friends at Express-carriers can fly other airlines cheaper than their mainline partners!

(Jetblue, for instance, is pretty much $25 each way, across the board for all carriers)

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captaink
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:42 am

Yeah I forgot to mention that ID90's can work out to be quite expensive at times.

US gives ID90s on the Y fare. (sometimes Expensive depending on the route...)

JM gives ID90 on the unrestricted RT fares.. usually the M fares.. (about USD200 is usually the end result.)

I am talking about from the Caribbean to North America.

As handling agents for US, we get free tickets but with applicable taxes.. SO to anywhere in the US it works out to be about 15 to 20 USD depending on which island you are originating travel.

I have travelled nonrev countless times, and have always gotten meals, even in F/C. Once however.. I didn't get a full meal in F/C, but the Purser fixed it up so nice you wouldn't notice. Staff or not they like to see that you are having a pleasant flight, cheers to them.. When staff comes for checkin, I try to be as helpful as possible, because as we learnt in New Hire Training, itis very important to be friendly, courteous and professional, with all our customers, including our internal customers, cause these are the ones that we deal with on a day to day basis.
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chicago757
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:35 pm

ID90 is 90% off highest fare, however it is still standby!
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Sun Jan 25, 2004 1:34 am

ID90s are based on a yield fare. (What the market will yield) not a real fare.
Travel agents and non airline employees are not allowed to travel on any ID fare. There are ID90s, ID75s, and ID50s. The only diserernable difference is
A. What you pay.
B. When you board as you relate to the other ID's to price.
We place all IDS at the same level of priority. Time is the only factor that delineates. (The time you placed yourself on the standby list.)
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SegmentKing
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RE: ID90 Tickets

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:18 am

travel agents are technically issued "AD75, AD100, AD90"s... "Agent Discount" versus "Interline Discounts"

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