cancidas
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New Uses For A318

Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:11 pm

what would stop a military from buying new aircraft for roles that old ones currently perform. take subhunting for example. a B737 or A319 could be adapted to that role easily. in fact, boeing has already proposed it. why is it that we do not see more commercial aircraft performing more varied roles?
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:19 pm

The A318 is small enough to make a good football. Wouldn't mind kickin it across the way.

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RE: New Uses For A318

Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:37 pm

Very funny FLCowboy..... I was thinking it would make a neat planter.....
 
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:41 pm

I'd rather have a prop for the sub hunting role, the jets fly too fast.
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sat Jan 24, 2004 1:25 pm

Not to mention that subhunting isn't as big as it once was!  Smile
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sat Jan 24, 2004 2:23 pm

wouldn't the 318 make a good platform for a smaller (not by much) ACJ? then again, anything can make a good CJ if you have the $$.
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:05 am

It's funny how 767's are in that very same 'junk yard' you mention.... And not necessarily 'early' models either.....
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:08 am

The problem is that there's not that many old uses for the A318. It's overly heavy, but without providing any real benefit. Mostly, cutting a plane short is a bad idea (747SP as classic example of such a failure). The A319 at least delivered an increased range and a seat number in the same range as its main competitor. The A318 simply does not provide the added incentive to overlook its performance issues.

Still, it may be too early to call it a commercial failure and a failed design. For now, at least.

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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:10 am



CO737800, the reason you dont see as many A310s and A300s anymore have nothing to do with what they are made out of. Nowadays, there are more efficient a/c which can replace their position in the market therfore lowering operating costs for airlines. As for your opinion regarding the A320 family, I think you should choose more appropriate language for a civilized forum because Airbuses are definitely not a piece of junk.

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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:11 am

Well slowbird you are right some 767 are in junk yards but most are in storage. We are in bad times and many Airlines are flying with fewer planes and they store many of the oldest ones in the fleet. Iam sure most of the 767 will be back in the air way before the 300 or 310. You still see hundreds of 737-200 and Dc 9's still flying around some 20-35 years old.
 
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:12 am

hiii CO737800

I think that we should have diferent junkyards...
And there are lot's of old Airbus aircraft still flying... Check this pics and their dates!


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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:14 am

Luis WOW thats nice can you show me more
 
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:18 am

I give up arguing with idiots - they just drag you down to their level and then beat you at their game....

You have your opinion, we have ours.
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:19 am

Before you all get upset cause I like Boeings more then the Airbus. If I was CEO of a airline right now I would order the A330 over the 767.
 
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:03 am

Give me a A318 over an ancient DC9 / 737-200 anyday.
 
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:38 am

Well I dont wanna argue, but i find it funny that at the moment yall are calling the old DC9s and 732s and A300s n all them junk, while at the same time alot of people are sayin it would be cool when people get oldies like 707s n Constelations n all that in the air. Just because it aint brand new dont mean it dont work no more. I've been in situations where the older stuff its just as usefull as the new equiptment.

Just think about it. Everything goes via the same set of titles. New - Used - Junk - Antique. Sometimes if you keep something long enough in good condition it becomes n antique and thus be worth something again.



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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:40 am

I have a serious question, Why would anyone order the 318 and not just go with the 319? The 319 has more seats and from what I understand still has about the same specs as the 318......
Now personally I don't like the 318 at all... My opinion might change after I get to fly on it, but just from the factual information I don't like it... Ill let yall know what I think after my flight on Monday!

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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:47 am

I give up arguing with idiots - they just drag you down to their level and then beat you at their game....

You have your opinion, we have ours.


here here speedbird!! mysentiments exactly!!
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:44 pm

Luisinho, the A318 would definitly not replace the 717, perhaps some DC-9's...
 
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:53 pm

You all sound like the bickering idiots back in the 90's arguing PC vs Macintosh.
 
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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:58 pm

The A318 is a good idea, In Theory, but then again Communism was a good idea In Theory. It is to heavy for it's size, much like the 736. The only good use for the A318 is as a football.

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RE: New Uses For A318

Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:56 pm

The A318, like the 736, is only good for long, low-pax routes. Regional jets can fly shorter segments with far lower operating costs, or larger mainliners (73G, A319) can fly significantly more pax with only slightly higher DOCs. This leaves the A318 and 736 as niche players, as demonstrated by lackluster sales.

For a few airlines with large A319/A320 fleets that don't want to add a separate 100-seat RJ, the A318 is worth a look. I don't think it will be particularly successful, but then again, it probably didn't cost that much to develop. Ditto with the 736. The EMB 195 and possibly the FD728 and BRJ-X may shut the double-shrinks out of this market segment.

BTW, communism was never a good idea, theoretically or otherwise  Smile. Marx's assumptions were completely wrong.

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RE: New Uses For A318

Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:01 am

If I was starting up an airline from scratch, I would not look at anything less than ten years old. With 733s in desert by the dozens and even the little 732s with decades on them would be so much more economical to run run as long as you get goods ones and take care of them. The A318 is a great idea. Unfortunately, those that have been targeted by the program have figured out a better way to do the same thing. NW is not going to get rid of the DC-9 anytime soon. jetBlue is not going smaller with their 'buses either. I also think the 764 is a better a/c the the 763. In theory then everyone should be getting rid of their older 767s for the new one just because it's new. Didn't think so.
 
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RE: New Uses For A318

Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:59 am

Rather 318 than Walmart 737´s  Laugh out loud

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RE: New Uses For A318

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:15 am

Luisinho, CO737800: Will you both stop your bickering with who is better.

Airbus and Boeing are great aircraft builders or they wouldn't be around. Luisinho, I do not agree with your comments about the 717. It is a very fine aircraft, and you should not dis it until you fly it. One of the last aluminum aircraft you'll be seeing, enjoy it.

CO737800, What is this crap about you saying Airbuses will not be around in 30 years. They can last as long as any 737 providing the airline takes good care of them. There is some speculation how the fibers can come apart and separate, but it is not true. Power companies have started using Fiberglass and Kevlar for their streetlight posts, instead of the aluminum. Fiberglass is the future. So would both of you please stop your bickering, you are both right, and you are both wrong. So Drop it.
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