777D
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CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:07 am

With the alliance that is developing between these carries, could they designate one airline from the alliance to fly from LAX-SYD, LAX-AKL and LAX-PPT as a codeshare flight? There is a large hole in the alliance regarding the South Pacific.

For example:

The alliance decides to have CO fly from LAX to the South Pacific and then codeshare with the other alliance members to that specific flight? There might be room for multiple daily departures for this route. This would add competition to that route and I believe the flights would have a high load factor since as many as 4 airlines selling seats for one flight a day from LAX-SYD, LAX-AKL or LAX-PPT. These 4 airlines could even assist in purchasing a common plane for the route. 777-300ER or the 777-200LR for this purpose so that the carrier that is designated would not have to pull their aircraft from any routes. Would there be any type of governement restrictions?
 
ConcordeBoy
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:13 am

The alliance decides to have CO fly from LAX to the South Pacific and then codeshare with the other alliance members to that specific flight?

the 777-200LR for this purpose



Considering the 772LR's specifications, and the fact that all of these airlines are primarily concentrated east of the Rockies-- CO could in theory offer IAH-SYD/NZAA), New Zealand">AKL, beating QF/AA to the Texas market, and drawing upon the strength of their largest hub... rather than taking on UA/NZ/QF in their relative backyards.


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CO737800
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:22 am

I would love to see CO start flying SYD. I think they would do very well on the route cause they seem to have a good REP
 
scottysair
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:24 am

Yeah, me too and this is good one of CO would start to SYD soon.
 
ishky15
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:40 am

There have been repeated proposals from numerous airliners.net members about a CO/NW/DL down under service by routing flights through Honolulu. If Continental, for instance, decided to fly a daily 777-200ER(I think that should have the range) from IAH-HNL-SYD, then all three airlines could feed passengers from the cities that they serve from Honolulu onto the Sydney flight. The HNL-SYD would be funneled with passengers from the following cities served by the three airlines:

Los Angeles
San Francisco
Seattle
Salt Lake City
Houston
Dallas
Minneapolis
Detroit
Newark

Not to mention the feed that they could get on just the HNL/SYD leg alone.

Seems like a pretty practical answer for providing Skyteam-CO-NW service to Australia to me. But I don't think it's very likely.
 
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:49 am

Attempting to get Cali pax to go 200mi and probably 3hrs out of their way, when more established carriers op the route nonstop, would be a tough sell (at best).
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flyinghighboy
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:28 am

For the tourist and backpacker, and to fill up a bit mor Y class, if it is cheaper than QF/AA & UA flights, they will probably opt for the stop in HNL. I know flying to Europe from Australia with Garuda, it comes out as one of the cheapest airfares but are some of the hardest to get because of the price.

Of course they should consider a non stop option for the business pax, or focus on a city like LAX but then you are taking QF/AA & UA on their turf. What about SFO? I know UA flys this route direct to SYD.
NW is the only airline with the 744 out of the three.
 
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:43 am

Flyinghighboy,

I would hate to have you as CFO of my airline if you are hoping to make a profit catering to the tourist and backpacker crowd. The only market worse than that would be anywhere to LAS.
 
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:45 am

yeah i saw a couple who is sitting next to me had two Delta boarding passes which were printed - Carriers: QF, Destinations: LAX to SYD and QF's seat numbers. I was wondering whether DL still has the codeshare with QF secretly and also DL has the Qantas software program (seat map and QF passenger lists).
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jeffrey1970
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:34 am

Doesn't the government of Australia have strict regulations when it comes to foreign airlines flying to Australia?

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flyinghighboy
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:39 am

Bobnwa
I was saying they should cater to the tourist crowd, all i was saying is that they should also include those group of people. They don't care if they have to stop a few places just to get where they are going if the ticket is cheaper. It will probably be the same for some bus pax that aren't in a rush to get anywhere and want to save money. Airfares on the Australia-US are really expensive.
 
LHR001
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:20 pm

NW has tried Sydney from Los Angeles, Honolulu, and Osaka. Services were discontinued!

CO has tried Sydney and Auckland from Guam and Honolulu. Services were discontinued.



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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:28 pm

Continental Airlines also flew to Papeete!



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luv2fly
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:32 pm

What's your point? The thread is about Australia, and last time I looked Tahiti was not part of Australia.
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LHR001
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:39 pm

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Read the Heading Post in this topic-


777D wrote:

With the alliance that is developing between these carries, could they designate one airline from the alliance to fly from LAX-SYD, LAX-AKL and LAX-PPT as a codeshare flight? There is a large hole in the alliance regarding the South Pacific.



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777D
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:53 am

OK, I should have said the South Pacific and beyond.

Anyways, sure these carriers tried to fly to Australia on their own. I am refering to the idea of the alliance selling seats on 1 flight from LAX to SYD, 1 flight from LAX-AKL and 1 flight from LAX-PPT.

I believe it can be done very easily. I cannot believe that these 3-4 carriers do not have the customer base to fill a 777-whatever from LAX to the South Pacific daily. If needed include ALaska Airlines within the code share to have the feed from up and down the west coast.
 
LHR001
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:38 am

Alaska Airlines has just signed an expanded codeshare agreement with American Airlines. This new codeshare will greatly increase connections for American and Alaska namely at SFO and LAX. The current NW codeshare with Alaska is based mainly on Seattle and Portland routes.



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Al
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:34 am

Doesn't the government of Australia have strict regulations when it comes to foreign airlines flying to Australia?

Depends on the definition of strict. The Oz Govt has quite a few very liberal bi-laterals in play with other countries.
One of these more liberal ones is with the U.S.

In regard to the airlines concerned in the thread, there are only a couple of restrictions in the U.S./Oz bilateral (or ASA if you want to be pc) currently in effect.
On the Sth Pac routing between the 2 countries, (the most logical route and the one that's most attractive) a designated carrier from either country can fly to any points in the other country. No restrictions on equipment or upper ceilings on frequencies, just one restriction in regard to minimum frequencies per week, which is set at 4.
(Hence HA's recent announcement to return on the route with 4 x weekly). Any or all of the carriers mentioned in the thread could fly here at any time should they wish to, as they are all designated international carriers of the U.S.
Cheers/Regards.
 
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:51 pm

But beyond legalities in offering the routes, if you were to ask to ask NW or CO if the Australian government plays fair, both would say "no." Hopefully HA's entry into the market will encourage other USA-flag airlines to do the same...
 
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RE: CO NW DL KLM From US To Australia?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:28 pm

I for one would love to see CO start the SYD flights up. The only other reason for not doing the LONG flight, is the fact that I would not get elite miles for a trip down under. I would love to take the long flight in Business First, but not to get elite status for the travel would be brutal. I for one am not afraid to pay a little more for the comfort, space and service.