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727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:41 am

Just curious as to why the 727 was retired when it was, while aircraft of equal age in design continue to operate on a daily basis (i.e. DC-9). I apologize if this was already discussed, but I did try several searches. People around here tend to bite heads off if a topic is repeated.....Heaven forbid!!  Insane
 
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RE: 727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:00 am

One more engine equals even more jetfuel burning. I guess that was part of the decision.
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RE: 727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:06 am

Not only was the engine a factor, but the 737-800 and A320 holds just as many people if not identical amount, and it requires one less flight crew member, and one less engine and is much more economical (Hence the reason why AA, CO, DL, and NW got rid of their 727s.
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RE: 727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:09 am

Technically it is still flying. Pan Am has some 727's.

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RE: 727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:15 am

The 727 (Queen of the Skies from where I'm sittin') is proving to be a very very viable cargo aircraft and we should expect to see them with cargo operators well into the 21st century. In terms of being a pax hauler---see the explanations above. Shame that such a wonderful aircraft is being removed from passenger service at the rate she is :'(
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RE: 727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:23 am

Also, you have to remember some airlines are dumping 727s, increasing frequencies to the airports and giving them RJs  Angry( I HATE RJs
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RE: 727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:23 am

Stage 3 noise abatment issues and the cost to modify them to meet stage ushered in retirment.

Most hush kits for the 727 (except the Fed Ex hush kit) lowered the MGTOW and made it harder to profit with the 727 since it would now carry a smaller load.

The Fed Ex hush kit is about 7 mil per plane, and only the late model 727's were worth that investment.

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RE: 727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:46 pm

I though as much.

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RE: 727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:52 pm

moderate sidenote: What is the story with Don Trump's 727 (yes I did a search and got nada) I saw it tonight on his 'reality' TV show. It looked like it hada VS-??? reg. Just curious. thanks

The ANG has dumped their C-22s (727s) also.

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RE: 727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:53 pm

Here's the primary reasons why the 727-200 was retired from service:

1. The life cycle of the airframe on many 722's are reaching way up there in terms of number of takeoffs and landings.

2. The 722 is far noiser and uses more fuel per seat-mile than the A320 and 737-800.

3. The 722 requires a third crew member, something that the A320 and 738 doesn't need.

The reason why Northwest (NW) managed to keep their DC-9 fleet in service was:

1. The fuel burn on a seat-mile basis was lower than the 727-200.

2. The planes are completely paid off, so no lease payments to contend with!

3. The planes underwent a major rebuild with 717-200-style new interiors and cockpit upgrades.

In short, NW will keep their DC-9 fleet going until the airframe life and/or the new ICAO Stage IV noise emission rules finally forces a phaseout.
 
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Sun Jan 25, 2004 1:49 pm


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RE: 727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 2:06 pm

Why was the 727 retired from so many fleets these days?

-Takes an extra crew member to operate = they gotta pay more people
-Burns more fuel = they need to pay for more fuel
-Needs more maintenance = adds cost
-Makes more noise = Hush kits are expensive and aint always worth it
-Many where getting on in years = every aircraft gets retired eventually
-Better a/c availible = A320s and 738s can do the job just as good if not better
-Makes a good cargo hauler = time to move on from the pax routes and into cargo


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RE: 727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:43 pm

Retire the 727? We are adding 727s At Champion! Six more airframes God's grace within the next few weeks!!! I love,We love the 727,3 holers rule!
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RE: 727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:50 pm

can't they put a new glass cock-pit in those babys? update the engines. etc.
 
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RE: 727 Retirement

Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:56 pm

too much moola,and you still have 3 engines,and 3 crew, we still make a buck with them,but its with a stock ,steam guage cockpit,though blessed with GPS!
the rumble of round engines is like music to me,likewise the thunder of thr JT8D

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