ual747den
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I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:07 am

Sorry if this was already posted ive been on here all day and havent seen anything about it!

DENVER – A woman traveling from New York to Denver on Spirit Airlines said she accidentally took a stun gun and knife onto the plane in her carry on bag, the airline and transportation security officials said.


The passenger boarded her flight in La Guardia, New York Saturday morning and was traveling through Detroit to Denver for a holiday.

While the plane was in the air, the passenger realized that she had the weapons in her purse, said Spirit Airlines spokeswoman Laura Bennett. Bennett said the woman voluntarily turned them over to a flight attendant.

At that point, security procedures required the pilot to radio the airport about the breach and the woman was taken into custody when the plane landed at DIA.

She was questioned and later released, the Transportation Security Administration said.

Other passengers on board Flight 1153 were bussed to the terminal and the plane was searched. It later was cleared and took of for Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

It is not clear why the weapons were not detected when the woman went through security at La Guardia airport.


(Copyright 2004 by 9NEWS KUSA-TV. All Rights Reserved)

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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:11 am

How can you miss something like a stun gun and a knife? I can see a small finger-nail sized blade but something that size. Unfortunately things like these show the TSA that there are still major flaws that need to be worked out of the system they use. I commend the TSA for what they have accomplished thus far but they have a long way to go in a short period of time.

Just my 2 pesos.

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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:12 am

That is very scary.

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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:18 am

Hi UAL747...

I think I said something along these lines on a different thread, but you have to remember that these TSA screeners are (at best) just one-half step above the "Would You Like Fries With That?" crowd. Not the sharpest knives in the drawer, for sure. I cringe at the fact that our airborne security is in the hands of these morons.  Nuts

It's quite obvious that the TSA wasn't doing their recruiting on college campuses. More than likely at the local unemployment office. Thus, you get what you pay for.

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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:19 am

I'm sorry but i go through security way too often to even be surprised that TSA did this, i know the rules and regs concerning airport security better than most of them do.
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:21 am

I agree, they probably went to the local unemployment office, told them what to do, gave them a shirt with a gold patch badge and said MINIMUM WAGE TO FIND WEAPONS, I even saw a TSA agent sleeping in GPT once.
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RE: I Cannot Believe This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:21 am

I have shared this story before and will do it again, I have a medical device implanted in my back therefore I do not go through the metal detector. When catching a flight at RSW I asked for a "pat down" rather than going through the detector and they pulled me aside. It was very busy and I had my 6 month old son with me, I was talked to for about 2 min then without even making me empty my pockets was told to have a good day and let go. Being that I was traveling with my son my pockets were FULL of junk and were bulging, and not even a question about it.............. Scary........
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:21 am

Those are not good for the job with TSA and it should need get termination with their job. This is not very often to even be surprised that TSA will pulled off with the airports. It should need to get shutdown with TSA.
 
bobb
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 1:11 pm

Just like any security measures, one should not be amazed if mistakes are made once in a while, am sure this is does not happend everyday. As mentioned, what expectation do you want with low pay, and a crappy job? If you enjoy going into other people's underwear, I salute you, and you must apply immediately!

All securities are multi-layer, to compesante for incidents like these and to throw the potential bad guy off. There are lots more happening behind the scene than the TSA guys you see.

So, don't sweat it. Be happy that at least the current batch of TSA people are more professional than the old airline's hired $5/hour, no benefit, spoke no english types.
 
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 2:40 pm

I agree that the TSA doesn't have the caliber of employees needed for such a job function, one has to look at two things. Q: What did we have before? A: Private, for-profit security agencies paying $6.50 an hour to 18-year olds and retirees just there to collect a paycheck. Q: What do we have now? A: Federal employees, receiving Federal benefits, but still only making $8.50 an hour. (Here in AUS, that is well below the poverty level...AUS minimum wage has estimated to be $9-10)

Someone said that they definitely weren't recruiting on college campuses. You're right! College students take economics...Hmmm $10/hour to flip burgers or $8.50/hr to have every swinging Tom Dick and Harry complain that you are not needed, you are undereducated, and stupid. Let me think...I'll take the job at McD's! It all comes down to pay. If the Federal government pays more, they'll get better applicants, but then the liberals would complain that GWB is being irresponsible on fiscal policy.

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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 2:46 pm

Because as this woman was going through security, the "Thousands Standing Around" were doing just that... goofing off on the job, talking about who is gonna win the superbowl next week, talking about where they are going to blow their checks which they are paid too high on coming out of our tax dollars.


**As mentioned, what expectation do you want with low pay, and a crappy job?**

Bobb, their starting pay is $14 an hour and they got good benefits too. Supervisors are making $18 an hour. Tell me how many jobs where you don't need a college degree or a special skill/trade/license are paying $14 an hour with benefits? For that kind of pay, they need to be on the ball and mistakes need to be very minimal if not ever. It seems like everyday we are hearing something new about the TSA. These guys are worse than the people they replaced and our taxes didn't have to pay for them.

Bush needs to fire Tom Ridge and the whole TSA needs to be torn down and rebuilt.
 
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 2:51 pm

Actually, you'd be surprised how many things get past TSA. But it shouldn't be grounds for scrapping the whole system...just some modifications. I think 20/20 did a special not too long about the flaws in the system, subsequently sneaking 20-30 banned items beyond the security perimeter...ranging anywhere from a small knife to a larger 9mm pistol.

I commend this woman for realizing what she had done and speaking up about it...though I would inspect her own competence a little more. I'm not sure how I would forget to clear my bag these days, especially from weapons such as that. But that's just me.  Big thumbs up

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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 2:58 pm

More than likely at the local unemployment office.

Not everyone who collects unemployment is a moron. Further, in a city like New York City or Los Angeles, $14 an (which is the last number I was aware of TSA security screeners earning) hour isn't a whole lot of money (unless you're also making tips). Taxes, rent, utilities and car insurance eat up your disposable income quickly. Hence, few people are willing to work jobs that pay so "little".

In contrast, in Kansas City, you can live quite comfortably for $10.14 an hour living by yourself (I should know, I did it!). My rent was $400 a month for about 600 square feet. My sister in Rancho Cucamonga, outside LA, pays almost $1000 for the same thing. My car insurance was low (liability: $350 every six months; full coverage: $775 every six months), and I was 21 when I moved here to CT. The list goes on and on.



Back to the original post, this is another example, I think, of why they should have kept the people who were working at the checkpoints where they were (barring felony convictions or illegal status, of course). The people who replaced them, IMHO, have no idea what is going on. No education can replace experience. Dropping someone with 15 years on the job simply because they don't have a diploma is stupid.

And I'm going to say it again: Security did NOT fail on 9/11. The items on board were allowed under the FARs at the time. Every change in airline security has been an exercise in hubris and hyperbole, with the exception of checked-baggage screening. That is the only change I believe ever made sense.
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:01 pm

I think that the airline should do something about it instead of leaving it in the hands of the illpropaired screener. I don't know if this was the airline or the airport but on my UAL flight from AMS-IAD they had all of us take off our shoes and open our bags like normally and then they had all the passengers (everyone in the airport not just my flight) have a hand searched metal detector. Then before even being allowed to sit at the glassed in gate they had yet another checkpoint at the doorway of the gate but had the UAL people running it. While you were being asked ?'s like whats your address and how long have you been here and whats your S.S. # and passport # they took your bags, iPod, pens, wallet, etc. and hand searched them and ran them through the X-Ray. This not only made sure that people were double checked but also took some of the fear out of the passengers. The pilots and crew even had to go through it. I didn't see this at every gate.

UA777222

Side note: The A/C was the old logo jet for UAL and man did that plane suck. Oh well I personally think that they logo jet should be a 777-222 being that they are one if not the largest 777 operator.
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bobb
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:29 pm

Well, sorry to hear the TSA at your airport are so poor.

I for one like the TSA in my area. I work with them, so I know. Go ahead strike a conversation with them. The ones at my airport are high tech layoff with degrees and prenty good brushed up on their customer service skills.

In contrast before 911, the old screeners at my airports were recent imigrants who spoke very little english and had zero personality, forget about customer service skills.

It's easy to spot mistakes when you think the TSA should be operating like the SWAT team (they are not). My experience is just better than yours I guess.
 
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:05 pm

Just curious, where did you come up with $14/hour and $18/hour? Can you post the link?
 
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:11 pm

The only thing I can say about this is: Not surprised.
But I don't want to specifically bash the TSA although they did LOSE some of my property last time they were screening my things.
It can happen in any country. Our airport security in Germany isn't all too sharp either.
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 8:18 pm

I will vouch that TSA Agents are better, because when we had ITS in GPT, they were HORRIBLE. Speakie De English?
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:04 pm

Ok, this is human imperfection. Things like that must not happen but certainly can nevertheless. Everyone knows that there is no such thing like 100% safety.
Here is a completely different, but equally scary story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/21/nyregion/21detain.html

This is even worse, I think, because so many people got involved into this, not only one screener who may have had trouble with his wife or whatever.
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:48 pm

**Just curious, where did you come up with $14/hour and $18/hour? Can you post the link?**

When I was still living in Detroit, I was thinking about applying for them. They were just starting to set up in DTw then. Some of the TSA top dogs were there from Washington checking the place out and a few of us were asking questions to them. They said that at least at DTW they would be getting hired in at $14 and managers would be making $18. I don't know if the pay scale is the same across the board, or if it is different at different airports. It would be no fair for people at places like DTW, ORD, JFK to be making the same at much less busy places like OMA, TVC etc
 
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:24 am

The airlines already pay for security at the airport its called the TSA! The screeners are not there to talk to about the superbowl and I do not care about there customer service skills, they are there to protect me and make sure that nothing gets through that shouldn't. I don't want an agent to talk to me about anything besides security, if they do there wasting my tax dollars and they need to be fired. If someone could make a robot to do their job I would be all for it!
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:27 am

I'm not shocked at all that they missed this. Low Lifes.
 
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:38 am

Airport security is next to nothing. Going to LAX and returning to LGA last week was a piece of cake. They never scanned my shoes, patted anyone down or anything. Just stepped throught a metal dector.

Plastic explosives and other things that are small enough to be hidden is shoes can be bought on a plane with ease. Personally, airport security after 9/11 is no better then what is was before.
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Esajh
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:00 am

Part time screeners receive between $11.30 to $16.96 an hour. They get an over-ride based upon location (meaning a guy in LAX makes more than a guy in ICT.)

http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?theme=44&content=701

But here is the big thing for those who say the system is flawed and all the rest. Will you try to take a gun or a knife through security? Here are some figures on what gets caught. “Since February 2002, [this was in March 11, 2003] TSA screeners confiscated 1.4 million knives, 2.4 million sharp objects, 1,101 guns, 15,666 clubs, more than 125,000 incendiary items and nearly 40,000 box cutters. “ This was only one year!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TRAVEL/03/10/airport.security.ap/

Do you want to try and take something through? If you get caught folks you are going to have a very long (and possibly costly) day. That woman that turned it in still had to spend some time with the authorities. They knew she had no plans to use them since she didn’t use them and turned them in. If you get caught at security, they don’t know that and you are in for a long time. Want to try guys?

A person intent on breaking security is not going to use this method since they now know it is extremely likely they would get caught. The deterrent factor to the terrorist is there and for that the system works in this area. The area it does not work is much for frightening than this I can tell you!
 
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:04 am

I passed through a TSA checkpoint on a flight last month with a knife and they didn't know about it. I checked that particular bag in but only realized there was a "weapon" in it after we boarded. The point is, they wanted to confiscate my fingernail clippers but failed to identify the knife right next to it.

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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:54 am

Actually, i heard a radio ad last week ( god knows why i was listening to the radio here in Reno, because I never do- mustve been in a car or something) looking for TSA screeners here- and it was stated about how retirees, the disadvantaged, and minorities in particular were URGED to apply. Frankly i think the TSA is simply around so that Bush can claim hes creating jobs whereas hes more likely to be keeping these classes of people in their current socioeconomic class by paying them subpar wages in a boring job with no chance for advancement.

Just curious, and Im no huge fan of the TSA by any means, but are there any similar stories that come out of say, CDG, FRA, or LHR ( the big one!) at all? LHR sees so many passengers per day, but I always feel so much safer when I fly out of there. Be interesting to compare requirements/pay scales and amounts of "incidents"
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:00 pm

I know that the German security checkers get tested by plain clothes Federal border police officers, who pose as passengers and try to smuggle weapons through the check point. I´ve seen the sameyears ago, long before 9/11, in the Philippines, where a guy put a bag containing a gun on the x-ray machine and when the security guard found it, he identified himself.

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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:10 pm

The FAA also had agents that did that well prior to 9/11. The detection rate was definitely unacceptably low. I haven't seen the recent numbers for TSA, but I'm sure they do a better job than Argenbright.

Anyway, why in the world did she turn the stuff into the F/A??? I would just keep my mouth shut; you know, it's a crime to (even accidently) pass through a security checkpoint with a weapon. You never know; you might get one of those prosecutors who will go by the letter of the law and put you in jail whether you meant to have the item or not.
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:19 pm

Iz looks like they haven't learned much since 2001.
 
bobb
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Tue Jan 27, 2004 9:20 am

UAL747DEN:

You sound like the sort of passenger whom because you PAID for your ticket, now demands for 100% of what's worth of your bills. The Real World doesn't work like that.

Know why customer skill is important? get the line moving smoothly (if you don't mind spending lots of time at airports, most passengers do). And they are not trying to be NICE to you, they are trying to strike up a quick conversation and and see if you are nervious in responding. Come on now, you are thinking very superficially.

Really, I do believe a lot of you don't have enough respect for TSA, but the reality is, unless you are in the industry, YOU KNOW VERY LITTLE of what goes under the scene. Relax. The one you are looking down to may have a Master and you don't even know it.
 
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:14 am

Really, I do believe a lot of you don't have enough respect for TSA, but the reality is, unless you are in the industry, YOU KNOW VERY LITTLE of what goes under the scene.

I actually have a lot of respect for every TSA person I've come in contact with. They've all been very professional and competent compared to what was in place before. But I hope that TSA invests in more advanced technology to detect things like stun guns, because it doesn't really matter what goes on "behind the scenes" if somebody is still able to get on a plane with explosives and guns.
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Esajh
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:14 am

Folks it is real simple and you can put this thread to rest. You have either 100% success or something less. It is one or the other and nothing in between. Now there is one airline that, so far, has had 100% success – El Al! The problem is they are a very small airline, with only a limited number of airplanes and flights, virtually no competition, a governmental financial and security backing and a “either do it or don’t go” mentality. But let’s look at how it could work!

In order to assure NO failures, not one failure, we must do a number of things.
1. Stop all curbside check in! The reason for this is that curbside handlers are not trained to screen baggage or passengers. This is the first possible shortcoming. Secondly, there are not enough baggage screening devises (BTUs) in the world to supply all the airports not alone all the possible places a bag could get to an airplane in one airport.

2. Mandatory passenger profiling of all passengers. This is a very complicated and time-consuming process. For those who have ever undergone this process with El Al (I have) it takes hours, in diverse locations and is multileveled.

3. Personal baggage checks of EVERY bag a passenger has. That is every bag and all the contents in it must be checked and verified – you know that perfume bottle may contain a flammable liquid? That means not only checked baggage but also carryon baggage. Not just x-rays but personal visual examination also.

4. Physical visual inspection of every passenger, I mean strip search and body cavity search like you go through when entering prison. You all know drug smugglers carry items in some of the most mysterious places, so may a suicide terrorists?

5. X-ray examination of internal organs. You know a suicide bomber might have surgically implanted C4 in his leg or JP4 in those breast implants?

6. Hire professional security experts and charge the passenger an extremely large security tax or just raise the Federal Income tax a few percent (no deduction for travelers however.) Security experts are a very specialized field and they are VERY expensive.

7. Hire psychologists to interpret the actions of all passengers going through the system and charge the passengers $50 per ticket segment – you know a psychologist tax. Psychologist charge at least that much in their office and every passenger needs to be examined, therefore needs to be charged!

8. And a lot more time and money!

The other alternative is to accept some degree of failure. Most people upset with the TSA state many of the failures. A few days ago I listed TSA’s achievements in a one-year period. If I took all the failures listed by everyone on this thread to date (about 28) and multiplied that by a factor of 1000. Take that number (28,000) and compare that to the number of confiscation’s in 2002 (3,981,767) and you have less than 1%. Less than one percent of the banned items get by (actually 0.703%). Now remember, I multiplied all the complaints by 1000, so a more accurate number (based upon this sample) would actually be .00070%. Is that an acceptable number for you?

I know this was not very scientific folks, but look at what you are basically saying. You are complaining about less than 1%. Do you want 100% compliance? 90%? 80%? 75%? 50%? What do you want and what will you accept as a populace? If you want 100% you will SHUT DOWN American Business and leisure travel. American commerce will definitely fall, world economic recession will definitely return and unemployment will see rates most people, currently living, have no idea exists. The USA (and much of the Western World) is based upon a risk analysis. Driving, swimming, jogging, eating, living! We know that 40,000+ people will die every year in auto accidents, do we ban cars? Sharks ate 16 Americans alone last year; do we ban ocean swimming? Jim Fix (the jogger) died from heart complications aggravated from jogging, do we ban jogging for heart patients? People die from salmonella in chickens, bacteria in beef, pesticides in vegetables and mercury in seafood; do we ban eating?

The point is, there are problems in the system, but no larger than problems in any other system. There is 911 hysteria out there and some people demand and criticize without thought. NOTHING should get through! Absolutely nothing! Folks engines quite on jets, you don’t demand 100% from GE or Pratt! Hydraulic systems fail; you don’t demand 100% from Boeing or Airbus! Aircraft have structural failures; you don’t demand that from UA or AS maint! Forecast are wrong or fail to get reported; you don’t demand 100% from NOAA, NWS, or FSS! PTUs and Jackscrews fail, you don’t demand 100% from AS or US! All of those things I just mentioned killed hundreds (in some cases 1000s) of people in the aviation field – and it has been doing it for decades. We don’t demand anywhere near the compliance percentage we get from the TSA in any other aviation or world area.
 
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RE: I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!

Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:29 am

Esajh, you bring up many good points...and state a lot of impressive figures and percentages.

BUT, as jhooper said, this was not an undetected set of nails clippers or a small penknife. It was a friggin' STUN GUN!! I don't know if you've ever seen one of those things work - - but they can be a very nasty weapon. And in the enclosed, pressurized environment of an airplane at altitude, a much more potent weapon for a terrorist trying to take control of an airliner than say a .44 Magnum.

The TSA has been put into place to do a job. They need to get MUCH better at doing it. Hire the BEST people available to do the job...and if that means higher airfares to pay for it, so be it. The Israelis have the right idea.

BTW...I'd like to volunteer for TSA duty if I could have a look at those JP4 breast implants!!  Big thumbs up

I know some of us may be taking this thread way too seriously, but then again it's a VERY serious subject. It just ain't the same world it was before 9/11, and although I'm one that very much misses the open access we all used to have at airports, I understand the rationale behind it.

Let us all hope it can one day go back to being the way it was. Wishful thinking, perhaps. But just maybe?

With Best Regards & Fly Safe,

Mike
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