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Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:17 am

I was looking at seat maps of the B1900s of Commutair and Gulfstream International and I did not see a bathroom on either seat map. Is this true that they don't have lavs?
 
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:21 am

Traditionally, the policy was BRING YOUR OWN.
 
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:22 am

Bathroom, What bathroom......??? On a 1900...?? LoL..!! You can't even stand up in a 1900........
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:24 am

EMBQA, one of the 1900s do indeed have a lav. It's either the C or the D model. It's in the back and takes up quite a bit of room that could otherwise have been used for bags.
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:27 am

I've never seen one on a 1900, and I've flown them with US Express and UA Express. They're funny looking planes, but I've had some good flights on them.
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:27 am

Th lavatory on the B1900s is optional on both the C and D models.

Like you said, it takes up quite a bit of space in the cargo compartment which is located in the aft of the plane.

Most airlines have opted not to install the lavatory as it takes up precious cargo space.

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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:32 am

BA, yup. Especially when loading Danish planes, where the rear cargo hold is taken up by beer (seriously). We could only load the front cargo, and then when you put a bathroom in there, it made for a lot of fun. Especially since we were also loading oil drilling equipment on several of the flights.
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:56 am

Air New Zealand's Beech 1900D do have the toilet option.

I must admit I've never actually seen anyone use it on my many flights on them!
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:12 am

I had two flights on Beech 1900D's with Great Lakes Airlines last week. Neither aircraft have a lavoratory. My two other flights with them in late 2002 was on different aircraft and they didn't have lavs either.

It looks like to me it's an option that the operator has a choice over. Kinda of like the auto pilot option (almost nobody opted for auto pilot in those things).

Flights on Beech 1900's are usually under 90 minutes so I think you can go without a lav for that long...

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Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:14 am

They don't have F/As either.
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:16 am

Air Alliance (AC Jazz network?) has 18 seats and a lav. Commutair & Colgan (CO & US express' respectively) do not. Those are the 1900 operators here at PVD.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:19 am

Where in the heck would you put it without loosing at least 3 rev seats?


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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:23 am

doesn't look like they have cockpit doors either....
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Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:30 am

The BEH doesn't have a cockpit door fitted. You can see the toilet door in the picture here:


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Air NZ's BEH have 19 seats with the toilet option fitted. You can look at the seatmap here: http://www.airnz.co.nz/travelinfo/ontheplane/seating/beechcraft_1900d.htm
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:47 am

The lav option on the 1900 takes out the middle seat in row nine.. The lav itself is actually in the cargo compartment, reducing space for baggage. Its a nice option for companies like air nova and georgian in Canada who fly them on flights of 2+ hrs.. Its weight is similar to a passenger, so if you have only 5 pax and the lav its done as like having six in the weight and balance...

AS for standing up in the plane. Don't count on it in the C models.( those haven't been built in years) but in the D's as long as you aren't over 71 inches you should be all set. (except over the wing where the spare runs across...
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:50 am

There's no lav on a B1900. Don't need one....
No one can stand to ride the damn things for more than 20 minutes or so.

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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:25 am

FedExDC-10, how about reading all the replies on this page before giving out your wisdom? It seems pretty obvious that lavs are an option on the ugly little planes.
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:26 am

I ventured into the toilet on an Air NZ 1900D like the one TG992 showed above. The place is cramped (like a cupboard really) and poorly lit - unless you are about to have an aneurism from holding on, I don't think it is really that practical...

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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:34 am

Another thing is that it is rarely a smooth enough ride in the Beech 1900 to even have a chance to turn off the seatbelt sign and use a lav.
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:37 am

Hey everyone, I work on the 1900s here in Canada, and yes it is an option on the D model that we have, we had the bathroom installed at the front, so it replaces seat 1C. It is of course very cramped, but it has a coat closet built in. So ours keep the triple seat at the back, and the full baggage compartment. The lav is not something that we enjoy having to service as it is just a honey bucket that must be removed and emptied. If you have had a charter of some beered up fishermen that can be full after a hour flight, lol.
So just another option of where the lav is on some 1900's. We also opted for the power steering on ours too.

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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:43 am

Little late checking this thread, but here goes.

KaiGwyer: Speaking of wisdom, perhaps you would use some in order to recognize that what I said was a joke...

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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:12 am

Since someone mentioned no F/A's.....


Who provides the inflight meal and beverage service?
 
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:13 am

yes there is a bathroom
 
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:13 am

FedExDC-10, while the last sentence of your post most certainly looked like a joke, the line "There is no lav on a B1900", looks in no way like a joke, but more like a statement.  Smile

Sorry if I offended you  Big grin
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:15 am

The only 19-seater I've ever seen a toilet in is a J31.
 
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:15 am

its rows 1-8!!!!!
atleast thats what some pax have thought in the past Angry
 
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:20 am

sigh so before anybody else asks, what is the IFE? Is there a PTV?  Big grin
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:20 am

Airdude66, on the B1900s we handled at SVG (for Danish Air Transport), the FO would do all the predeparture announcements. I'm wondering if the instructions included where to find the beer as well  Big grin If not, the FO would serve the beverages.
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:22 am

Folks....we have just defined cross utilization.

That F/O probably makes what 16K-18K
 
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:27 am

KaiGwyer:

No harm done sir  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I apologize if my retort was a bit pushy, but people have a tendency to be rather short on this forum and I'm no exception.
I also apologize for any ill-feelings I may have conveyed to the noble Beech 1900 and it's family... ROFLMAO

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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:27 am

Airdude66, and guess how many hours he has. The one I talked to, said he had 550 hrs, and he had been with the company for a while, cause we had seen him a lot. The company is experiencing a LOT of turnover in crew, as most crew use them only as a stepping stone, even if the step up is to another regional. They fly 3 B1900s, 3 B90s, 6 ATR42s, 2 ATR72s and a Shorts Skyvan.
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:28 am

FedExDC-10, hehe, calling the 1900 noble? After any Shorts airplane, the 1900 must be one of the ugliest planes ever made  Big grin
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:30 am

A Shorts....now there is a creation that should be the toilet....

or in the toilet!
 
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:36 am

Airdude66, we used to joke that after landing, they would take the wings off and continue on to the hotels as a shuttle bus. Kinda look the same  Big grin
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:39 am

Well that makes sense.

I was mistaken, here I thought they served as railway cars in there previous life.
 
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:45 am

I have a friend who flies the B1900 out of TPA. He told me of a recent event where a passenger couldn't wait and some how made use of an air sickness bag. Said bags don't contain liquids very well, so he had a bit of clean up to do after they landed.
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:45 am

Iahcsr, ouch, sounds like fun  Big grin
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:55 am

You know, they say that the non-existent aesthetic value of Shorts aircraft actually contribute to they're aerodynamics. It must be one of those "They're so ugly the earth repels them" kinda things LOL.

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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 11:57 am

FedExDC-10, haha, that's the quote of the day. Hmm, I gotta go meet some flights. I'm at work, and NW 412, 118 and 1715 have landed and their bags are waiting for me  Smile
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:16 pm

I have flown on a few of the Air Alliance 1900Ds, and they are a lot of fun to fly in, completely different experience than larger A/C (even DHC-8).

I can also assure everyone the 1900Ds which Air Alliance has DO indeed have the aft lav option which when looking towards the rear of the cabin looks just like in this photo:
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The lav door is split in the center and slides open to each side Star Trek style.
The first time I was aboard the 1900D, I checked out the 'facility', the lav uses the entire width of the cabin, and there is enough room for a 6-footer inside. It even has an electric blue-flush toilet, instead of a porta-potty. Smile If I recall correctly, the 1900D lav is much larger than the miniscule forward lav on the DHC-8.


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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:26 pm

do they even have interior lighting? My sister flew a continental b1900 from MIA to Nassau (at night) and said that the cabin was dark the whole way. Sounds a bit unbelievable...but is it true?
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:29 pm

That is just a built in feature for night flying for passenger comfort.

If you want a reading light you must bring your own, same as the lav.
 
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:30 pm

Reminds me of my adventures on American Eagle J31s. One time I decided I needed to get up and go to the lav. Upon opening the door, I quickly decided to abort the mission. LOL. I don't think there were adequate facilities there for a leprechaun.

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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:46 pm

AirxLiban wrote:

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do they even have interior lighting? My sister flew a continental b1900 from MIA to Nassau (at night) and said that the cabin was dark the whole way. Sounds a bit unbelievable...but is it true?
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Each seat has a reading light on the wall above the window and adjustable vent (on the side wall in front of the armrest). The cabin also has flood lights:
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If you enlarge the photo, you can see the reading lights and on/off buttons beside the seat numbers, opposite the flood lights.

If you fly in the 1900D shown in this photo, the airline decided you have to 'hold it'... no aft lav option! Big grin


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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:55 pm

I have a friend who flies the B1900 out of TPA. He told me of a recent event where a passenger couldn't wait and some how made use of an air sickness bag. Said bags don't contain liquids very well, so he had a bit of clean up to do after they landed.

The lav is not something that we enjoy having to service as it is just a honey bucket that must be removed and emptied.

Makes one wonder if the B1900D should have been designed with an well-ergonomically designed lavatory (without infringing on the cargo space or creating a Port-O-Let situation like Miles_Mechanic mentioned), although I would imagine the costs of the additional weight would warrant an airline's decision to purchase a different aircraft.
 
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:55 pm

I agree with the previously mentioned thread...BYOP. Bring Your Own Pisser.  Big thumbs up

Besides, most airlines operating 1900's don't have a route long enough to warrant a lav. But, I guess there will always be that one passenger who decided to drink as much as possible, right before boarding...knowing full and well about their 'teeny tiny bladder award.'

Then again, that's just me. In most of my operational aircraft experience, you just have to hold it until you just can't anymore. That's what flight suits are for.  Big thumbs up

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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:48 pm

I was on a 1h 48m flight on a Continental Express Beech 1900D, I think in 2000. I am one of those "irritable" people, to put it discreetly, and the thought of being on a buzzy little aircraft for nearly two hours without access to a lav was enough to make me stop eating and drinking 3 hours before the flight.
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:06 pm

2 hours on a B1900? Oh my God! I'm strapped into a DA-20 for about an hour and half or so and start looking for a place of exit LOL.

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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:12 pm

Guys.. its not all about pee.. ever heard of the word "DIARREA"? I had to hold it for 1Hour 50 Minutes on a hot and noisy Metro III !!! NEver again I fly something without a bathroom.. !!!!" Smile
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RE: Bathroom On Beech 1900?

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:23 pm

ARGinMIA wrote:

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Guys.. its not all about pee.. ever heard of the word "DIARREA"? I had to hold it for 1Hour 50 Minutes on a hot and noisy Metro III !!!
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Willy make it?

Betty won't.  Big grin


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NEver again I fly something without a bathroom.. !!!!"
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Say what we will about the tiny lavs in A/C like the B1900D or DHC-8, they are a life-saver for desperate situations like ARGinMIA experienced.  Big grin



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