ArgInMIA
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United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:01 pm

I just read on the newspaper that United will be pulling out of the MIA-EZE route as early as march and then probably starting ORD-EZE !!!! Anybody heard of this?
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StevenUhl777
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:24 pm

yes...it was discussed in a thread several days ago.
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DouglasDC8
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:38 pm

UA already has Chicago and Washington non-stop to Buenos Aires.
 
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:40 pm

That supries me quite a lot, since there is a large Argentine community in Miami. This would leave the market wide open for American and Aerolineas!!!
 
MAH4546
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:40 pm

UA already has Chicago and Washington non-stop to Buenos Aires.


No they don't, only IAD-EZE.
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ArgInMIA
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:51 pm

their ORD-EZE flight is via Miami
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ordpark
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:55 pm

But the press release stated that UA would begin ORD/EZE by this fall....
 
HNLFlyBoy
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:03 pm

Perhaps the UA flight ORD/EZE will no longer make the stop at MIA in the Fall and just fly non-stop to EZE. Who knows with UA anything anymore.
 
ordpark
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:08 pm

Not sure what you mean by that, HNLflyboy.....if you read the press release, you'll note that route will be flown non-stop...
 
uadc8contrail
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:15 pm

makes perfect sense to op iad/ord to the deep south as mia never really had no good feed..let aa/ ar/rg battle it out and drop one less stop on the way down there on ua......
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MAH4546
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:18 pm

as mia never really had no good feed

Didn't need it, the flight relied heavily on O&D. The problem was that United, which at one point at 45 non-stops throughout the US and Latin America from Miami, cut thier route network down to thier 5 hubs, GRU, and EZE. There was no big advantage towards frequenting United from MIA, when you could frequent AA, who serves over 90 destinations from MIA.
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uadc8contrail
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:26 pm

mah4546,
so whats ur point?????if mia was a big o/d point why did they drop them???...it was only a matter of time before they cut them(south am)....if mia-eze mia-gru was a cash cow they would have kept them......
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MAH4546
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:42 pm

so whats ur point?????if mia was a big o/d point why did they drop them???...it was only a matter of time before they cut them(south am)....if mia-eze mia-gru was a cash cow they would have kept them.......

I very much stated my point. Re-read my post. MIA-EZE/GRU are heavy O&D markets (both among the busiest international O&D city pairs from the US). However, United Airlines dwindled thier MIA route network to such a small amount, that frequent fliers and business travelers (the ones that make airlines money) moved away from United Airlines and to American Airlines.

In fact, from what I understand, UA's MIA-EZE/GRU flights did make money in themselves, but when you combine that with the whole MIA operation (pilot and FA bases) that United had in Miami to support only 12 daily flights, there was no profit left.
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uadc8contrail
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:59 pm

mah,
so let me get this straight....mia is a heavy o/d market right???what does ual dropping the inbounds have to do with the o/d biz flyers???????why wud the o/d biz flyers flock to aa or any1 else if ual cuts the inbounds????mia based crews????if ure gonna run any intl routes outta there u need a crew base....u can not rely on crews from iad/ord/jfk/lax/den/sfo to keep the flts going......
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MAH4546
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:19 pm

mah,
so let me get this straight....mia is a heavy o/d market right???what does ual dropping the inbounds have to do with the o/d biz flyers???????why wud the o/d biz flyers flock to aa or any1 else if ual cuts the inbounds????mia based crews????if ure gonna run any intl routes outta there u need a crew base....u can not rely on crews from iad/ord/jfk/lax/den/sfo to keep the flts going......


I don't get why you don't understand.

1) Yes, MIA-EZE/GRU is a heavy O&D market.
2) Because United cut so many non-stops out of Miami, passengers that used to frequent United on MIA-EZE/GRU switched to American, because American offers more frequency and more destinations. And, as you said yourself, "if ure gonna run any untl routes outta there u need a crew base", it was not profitable to operate a crew/pilot base for only two flights.
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latinaviation
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RE: United Pulling Out Of MIA-EZE!

Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:33 pm

It's called network, that's what business passengers want. The guy that's flying UA to EZE today may have to go to CCS tomorrow. He wants one airline, one frequent flyer program, etc. Moreover, like MAH says, AA beats UA on the frequencies hands-down.

UA had to heavily incentivize corporations to use these routes. In Argentina, for example, they had a one-class upgrade program for corporate customers plus back-end deals.

Look at the infastructure UA had in Miami to support these two routes:

Approximately 150 Miami-based personnel will be furloughed effective May 1 -- this includes ground service, kitchen, human resources and training personnel.

It's no wonder that this, plus the crew base, sucked all the profit out.