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LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:41 am

If there were weasel awards for airlines, my vote would go out to easyJet and Duo.
Flying out of GVA, I have never managed to get a fare that was anywhere near the prices advertised on billboards.
As for Duo...300 Euro plus for LYS to BHX return >? three months in advance too ? these people should rename themselves HCC's.

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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:46 am

From my experiences Icelandair isnt usually much cheaper than the majors.
 
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:57 am

The reason Duo are expensive is because they provide a meal service on-board the flight.

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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:00 am

Mazette ! a nasty salad w/ a nasty crepe justify a 300 Euro + price  Wow!


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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:04 am

Do Duo promote themselves as low cost? I thought they were "business class service at economy class prices", which I wouldn't read to be low cost.
 
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:04 am

Do Duo advertise that they are a LCC?

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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:06 am


'nuff said.
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:09 am

Reality :
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:09 am

That still doesn't mean that they are a LCC UTA.  Big grin

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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:11 am

Snif ! So how exactly is an LCC defined ?

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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:12 am

BA and BMI promote low fares but they are not low cost carriers. I think Duo's fares are low at the moment for promotional reasons to get people flying.
 
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:12 am

Duo definitely does not market itself as an LCC.

As for easyJet, I have never had much of a problem finding cheap fares ex-GVA but then, maybe that's just moi.

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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:13 am

I would say an airline that offers low fares in return for low frills, i.e. no free food, drinks, would be an LCC.
 
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:16 am

Just because the airline offers cheap fares doesn't mean that the airline is a LCC.

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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:17 am

SWISS

My father flies them tomorrow from Basle to Nuremberg (via ZRH) and back. While they advertise the flight for something around 39 CHF oneway, my father pays CHF1100.  Big grin

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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:22 am

EI are advertising themselves as an LCC now :

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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:33 am

I'm not saying that South West isn't a LCC but, I live in FLL a city that South West has around 38 flights. I have yet to have a time that I was traveling that South West was not matched or under cut by another airline, be it that I'm planing 4 weeks or 1 weeks ahead. One time I was flying FLL-SJC-FLL and America West beat South West by over 95$ and that trip was planed well ahead.
 
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:41 am

Regarding Duo: The STR-BHX tickets are much cheaper since they're Duo (compared to the former "BA operated by Maersk UK"), plus there is no minimum-stay on Duo. By the way it seems like BA (now operated by Citiexpress) fares have also become cheaper, due to the competition of two airlines now on that route.
 
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:45 am

I concur that Duo is not very 'Low Fare' whatever their costs may be - the lowest fare NCE-BHX seems to be EUR80.00, which isn't that cheap once you add the taxes - BA/BD to LHR can be cheaper than that.

Also, DUO operate only RJ's, so presumably their cost-per-seat has to be higher than normal LCC.
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:47 am

"So how exactly is an LCC defined ?"

There really is no definition. But, every new airline is going to be an LCC, I mean, no one will start an airline with top the industry pay rates and benefits packages.
 
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:49 am

Hmm. How about EK ?

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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:52 am

A low cost carrier has low operating costs - nothing to do with prices - airlines will charge the highest fare that they can get away with to fill the aircraft.

Out of all the European low cost carriers - perhaps only two or three are actually low cost. Easy, Ryanair, and perhaps HapagLlyod express.

The remainder have taken a previous service, and painted the aircraft a different color - and reduced fares - without reducing their costs by much. Buzz, BmiBaby, FlyBe, Sterling, etc come to mind...
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:58 am

Hmmmmm... I've often managed to get U2's lowest prices.
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:01 am

I'm pretty sure Low Cost Carrier refers to their cost to operate, not the cost of their tickets. Apparently GVA is a market that will support those higher fares. Otherwise the planes would be flying empty, right? Good thing the UN has deep pockets to keep those fares high!
 
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:09 am



I totally agree with you UTA, some are not that LCC

However, thanks to LCC you can travel on majors at LCC price.

Return to CDg from LHR for £49 with BMI, food, drink and seat assigned for the same price Big grin
 
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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 8:47 am

Well, this weekend I will fly on Duo from Cologne to Birmingham and back for 140EUR incl all taxes. This is of course not matching the 9.99 deals of Ryanair et al., but still much less than on ehad to pay for the same or similar routes just 2-3 years ago. I could have even gotten a oneway for 70EUR only. Not too long ago oneways or day-returns were only available at full fare, for a sector like CGN or DUS-BHX this meant easily 300EUR oneway.

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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:01 am

Sinlock...

I'm with you. Here in ELP, Southwest is far and away the dominant carrier....yet for the flights I have taken in the past few years they have NEVER had the cheapest fare regardless of where I was flying or whether I was booking 5 days or 5 weeks in advance.

Low Cost my ass!!  Pissed

So instead, I get to fly an airline that will let me select a seat instead of the infamous WN "Cattle Call"...and for a lower price!!

Southwest's F/A's may be better stand-up comedians, but I'll sacrifice the floor show for a cheaper seat!  Big grin

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RE: LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All

Wed Jan 28, 2004 11:02 am

First, the term "LCC" generally refers to the airline's cost structure, not the airline's fares. Low fares generally follow from the LCC's cost structure, which is significantly lower per seat-mile.

As far as LCC fares are concerned, most major carriers have matched the LCCs in the markets they serve. In other markets, however, fares remain quite high. Here is an example of AA's fares on flights from Austin to the Washington DC area:

AUS-BWI (served by WN), departing 1/29, returning 2/2: $589
AUS-DCA (not served by WN), departing 1/29, returning 2/2: $1000

The AUS-DCA fare could be even more, but I assume that AA has identified some leakage in this route over to BWI. Flying AUS-MSP on the same dates is $1534.

So, for all of you in LCC-dominant markets who complain about "false advertising" of LCCs, be thankful -- the LCC in your market has worked to bring fares down overall. WN never charges more than $600 for a round-trip fare -- try getting that sort of policy on a major carrier.
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