flyabr
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NWA/Old Planes...

Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:01 pm

here is an interesting article about NWA and its DC9s....looks like those diesel 9s will be around yet for quite some time.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/business/7796417.htm
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:09 pm

- FACT: Within a few months, NW will be the largest operator WORLDWIDE of A320-family aircraft.

- FACT: According to NW's 2003 10K report, the average age of their fleet excluding the DC-9 (which would still be nearly as large as CO's entire mainline fleet) is 10.7-years-old -- if you consider that they've taken delivery of many jet jets & retired most of the 742 fleet since then, the age has gone down.

- FACT: most FF would perfer to fly on mainline jets than regional jets... NW's DC-9 pervent their FF from doing such and God knows I'd rather be on a DC-9 than an ERJ.
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:15 pm

i second that!!! personally i HATE regional jets whether they come from canada or brazil...!!!

and one could infer from this article (like industrialpate has stated over and over again) that NWA will never buy the 717; simply because that plane won't be in production in 2010 when NW decides to start retiring their dc9s...
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:19 pm

Just to mention, NW's DC9s also have new 717-style interiors.

[Edited 2004-01-28 07:23:50]
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:25 pm

IMO, I think the fact that NW will be the world's largest A320-family in just a few months is very telling... with most of the DC-9 routes likely to be replaced with RJ in high-frequency, I'd like those birds to stick around as long as possible. While the future of the 742/DC-10 changes daily at NW, I think it's safe to say that the flying those birds do will be solely resort routes...

[Edited 2004-01-28 07:41:45]
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:33 pm

I take it you're still upset with me over my comments that Consumers of Size should be required to purchase two tickets?

Funny, as I never seem to even remember arguing with you about COS. As you can tell, I re-evaluated my post and edited it.
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:08 pm

tekelberry,

i'm well aware that NW dc9s have newish interiors...flown em many times.

btw, i really hope CRJs don't take over most dc9 routes cause imo the regional jets just aren't very comfy...and there is no overhead storage worth trying to shove a bag in.
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:15 pm

What are NWs A32X numbers?
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:31 pm

It is really fascinating, how many thousand thread starters will only lead to the one and only question: when will NW replace their DC-9 with what?

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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:37 pm

SHIP NUMBERS...

A320s...

3201-3206, First 6 320s online at NW... Have a slightly different config. for fueling purposes, fuel panel in access panel at wing root. Fueler stands on ground to access this. All over fuel panel underwing (14-15ft up) accessed by way of lift on fuel truck.

3207-3250 - Remaining A320s in the initial delivery of 50 Airbuses (early-mid 1990s)

3251-3280something.... - Next batch of A320s ordered by NW. These aircraft have the slimline seats in coach. Later numbers (eg ship 3275 have led backlighting on cabin exits and overhead exit signs, looks paper white instead of an incandescent light source).

A319s....

3101-31?? - These are all identical in seating like A320 ships 3251 and higher. Slimline seats, including a slightly different first class seat thats not as plush as the earlier A320s. Least comfortable of the Airbus family at NWA. Avoid the last row as theyre cramped and do not recline. Longest route NWA uses this on I believe is DTW-SJC...blocks at 5:07.. Yeow.... worked it once... feels like a short intl flight.
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 10:39 am

NWA 9's have nice interiours, so do caskets.These old warmed over whores will soon have around 100.000 hours TTAF. Just keep rolling the dice people, the odds always favor nature.
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:57 pm

Give it a rest Learjet!!!! NW has safely operated those DC9's and will continue to do so. A bad example of a DC9 operator is Valujet. They had more fires and incidents on thier small fleet of DC9's in a few years than NW has had in the past 20 years on 170+ aircraft. The facts speak for themselves.
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:32 pm

Learjet,

Ever hear of the DC-3? A few of them are still flying along with DC-4s and DC-6s. No doubt, a few of them are operating in your own region.  Laugh out loud

 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:36 pm

I believe the article I read said NW wants to get 45 years of service out of them and right now they are at like 33 years or something, prob would be less then 33 year old avg if they got rid of the -10 series.
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:44 pm

Pardon me, but I haven't been paying attention to any of these NW DC9 threads....so excuse me if this has been asked before. Were the MD-80s phased out because they were a small fleet and lacked commonality with the DC-9s?
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:30 pm

So it's the older 320's that have the FC tables all in the armrests, and have the less "curved" shape at the top? If so, I have to say I prefer the newer layout.

I think we've got DTW-SJC, but then it returns to MSP. Outbound, we're down to just 3 SJC-MSP flights  Sad

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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 4:09 pm

maverick,

i think your assumptions about the md80 are correct...
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 4:24 pm

Hey, it's a good thing that our B-52s are only 50 years old.

I was just watching a program on the History Channel that suggested their airframes might be re-engined and returned to service another ten years.

Wouldn't make B-52s 60 years old?

So, Northwest's DC-9s still have half their lives left.  Smile




 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:07 pm

Just an observation.....None of NWA's Airlink carriers operate ERJ's. I've been reading this forum for some time now and finally joined because I've found there was a lot of misinformation out there....Continue  Smile
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:12 pm

Welcome to a.net, NWairlinkfo!

I'm aware NW's airlink partners don't operate the ERJ. My comment ...NW's DC-9 pervent their FF from doing such and God knows I'd rather be on a DC-9 than an ERJ... is referring to how my favorite Houston-based airline that taunts its new fleet continues to replace mainline flights with ERJs...
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:37 pm

First of all, thank you and I have to say that I have really benefited from your posts and I hope that will continue. I wasn't trying to bash you at all, just trying to state the obvious. Thanks for all of your informative posts and hopefully I will be a source of such infomation....Have a good one!
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:04 pm

No offense taken! And while I don't know whether you fly SF3, CRJ or ARJ (but I'll guess SF3 since you're not "jet" link  Big grin ), let it be known that I don't mind flying on them -- I just prefer mainline jets! Again, welcome!
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:16 pm

Completely understandable.....I just heard that Airlink is going to ban passengers from taking carry-on bags on CRJ's totally.....just a rumor, but from a good source....sorry guys if it's true...I fly the reset jets...(CRJ's). Never flown on the ARJ, but I've heard really good things about it!!

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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:19 pm

I take any airlink or mainline at GFK or MSP  Smile/happy/getting dizzy. Welcome NWAirlinkFO!

__TJ__
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:33 pm

Well, that wouldn't surprise me since they ask that you only bring "personal items" (purse, camera bag, notebook computer, etc.) onboard the CRJ to begin with... of course, there's always some idiot trying to stuff his oversized carry-on that wouldn't even fit in "BigBins" on mainline jets. The ARJ is the favorite fleet type of most NW flyers including myself.... hopefully an A319 will take over FNT-MSP should NW increase the size of the aircraft of phase it out... lol
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:41 pm

"DC-9 can fly up to 45 years"
Puhleezee, spare me the horror!!!
I wouldnt fly it tomorrow if i had to, nuf said........

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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:19 pm

Because of the low cost of ownership, Northwest was one of the most profitable large airlines through most of the mid- to late 1990s.

Even during the last two years, when the economic slump drove United Airlines and US Airways to Bankruptcy Court, Northwest has done better than some of its competition.


NWA decision to keep / expand DC9 operations has become an industry example of pragmatic & realistic fleet mngt.

Other big Airlines hardly survived their modern, shiny & efficient aircraft ..
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Fri Jan 30, 2004 12:13 am

A couple of comments:

1. The prospect of the FAA enforcing ICAO's new Stage IV noise emission rules will probably doom much of the NW DC-9 fleet, unless NW figures out how to put in a decent hush kit that doesn't severely penalize the performance of the DC-9.

2. While the smaller Bombardier and Embraer regional jets aren't exactly paragons of comfort, the new Embraer 170/190 series are a different story altogether, especially with the higher ceiling of the passenger cabin of the new Embraer plane.

3. NW could extend the life of their DC-9 fleet by doing a major re-engining program using the Rolls-Royce Deutschland BR715 engines. But will NW do such a thing?
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Fri Jan 30, 2004 12:54 am

Ray I was thinking like you if/when they initiate the stage 4 program it may mean the end of the NW 9er's
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:25 am

Wow, lots of rumors flying around. That would suck if we weren't allowed carry ons on the CRJs. Thank god I spend most of my time working ARJs. Can just imagine the screaming and yelling from the passengers.

Ill add to another rumor that ive been hearing. The ARJs sound like they will be staying. With parking them it would be more than flying them. It would be a real shame if they did park them. Supposibly NW wants to get their pilots to allow us to fly ERJ170s or buy some off market ARJs. (Yes i know they aren't being produced anymore, but supposibly there are some somewhere). I love the ARJs, hope we get to keep the ones that are parked in the desert and see them in the new paint scheme. Even though the planes suck in cold weather. They're a little wimpy.
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Fri Jan 30, 2004 3:08 am

I, as a NWA customer, confirm. I LOVE ARJs!!!!!!!!! Big grin
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Fri Jan 30, 2004 3:34 am

Jano... I agree wholeheartedly. If NWA does in fact go hunting for more ARJs, they are doing well establishing themselves as an airline dedicated to maintenance and keeping costs down. First they acquire lots of DC9s, that no one really wanted, and kept them in the fleet, and now they start 'cleaning the plate' again with the ARJs.

IMO... that would increase my respect for NWA as a business and an airline. More power to them.

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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Fri Jan 30, 2004 4:28 am

Supposibly NW wants to get their pilots to allow us to fly ERJ170s or buy some off market ARJs.

NW has no interest in second-hand ARJ. One could expect NW to replace or supplement the ARJ with CR7 or EMB17X, however...
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:45 am

Stage IV will not doom the DC9s. Unlike the move to Stage III, the current proposal on Stage IV would grandfather all existing Stage III aircraft indefinitely. That's good news for lots of planes.
 
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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:54 am

1. The prospect of the FAA enforcing ICAO's new Stage IV noise emission rules will probably doom much of the NW DC-9 fleet, unless NW figures out how to put in a decent hush kit that doesn't severely penalize the performance of the DC-9.

1. The prospect of the FAA enforcing ICAO's new Stage IV noise emission rules will probably doom much of the NW DC-9 fleet, unless NW figures out how to put in a decent hush kit that doesn't severely penalize the performance of the DC-9.


This is the quote BeltwayBandit was referring to. On January 1, 2006, all newly manufactured aircraft must adhere to Stage IV. Regardless, that is just shy of two years away.

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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:07 am

With their average age being around 33 are they going to be going through a mid life crisis in the near future? Sorry had to. If its safe why not fly it.

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RE: NWA/Old Planes...

Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:10 am

I'm curious as to why the DC-9 avoiders avoid them, unless it is something like comfort or seat pitch or noise in the cabin. Are there any objective reasons, or fist hand knowledge that you have.

I'm not as knowledgeable as the rest, but I do fly NW a lot and fly their DC-9s. They seem to be clean, well-maintained, and frankly, after TWA 800, Alaska Air, and Valuejet, an airline can't afford to have a crash that the media in any way can spin as caused by old planes or faulty maintenance - whether it is true or not. That can take you right out of business.

I sort of view them as the MILF's of the sky, still in good shape around the tail - call them PILF's (Planes I'd love to Fly)
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