Mikey711MN
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US Gov't Order To Airlines: We Need Your Lists

Thu Jan 29, 2004 12:13 am

While not a brand new topic, I didn't realize that plans were actually moving ahead. Read on...




U.S. to order airlines to yield traveler data

January 27, 2004

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The government will order airlines to provide background
information on passengers for a new security system that aims to keep
dangerous people off planes, Homeland Security Undersecretary Asa Hutchinson said
Monday.

The system could be fully operational by summer, according to spokesman
Dennis Murphy.

"The information that is given by a passenger to the airlines is important
for us to have--in terms of name, address, date of birth--so we can properly
assure the safety of a particular flight," Hutchinson said.

The Computer-Assisted Passenger Prescreening System would screen all
passengers by checking that information against commercial and government databases.

Copyright © 2004, Chicago Tribune




I can't tell you how often I wished the government could keep the tally of names, addresses, dates of birth, and other pieces of key terrorist-yielding pieces of information so I can feel safer. Sheesh.  Yeah sure
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RE: US Gov't Order To Airlines: We Need Your Lists

Thu Jan 29, 2004 12:34 am

funny thing is, I thought that they were already doing this and they tell us now that they are just now going to do it. Shame on them. That should have been first on order for those in the department of Homeland security.

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teva
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RE: US Gov't Order To Airlines: We Need Your Lists

Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:33 am

Orwell was too much in advance....
Instead of 1984, it is 2004.....

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RE: US Gov't Order To Airlines: We Need Your Lists

Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:15 am

This isn't going to make ANYONE safer. A person, not of Arab descent, born and raised in America, with a good credit history, could just as easily attempt to hijack or blow up an airliner as any person who "looks" like a terrorist to the TSA and to this system, CAPPS II.

Honestly, if a group like Al Queda wanted to bypass the system all they'd have to do is recruit someone with a good history from the United States or from Europe, someone who shares their beliefs. Don't think it's possible? Wasn't the shoe bomber british?


This system is inherently flawed and will not offer the massive security benefit that the government claims it will. Instead it's just another way for big Brother to pry into our lives. Kinda like they're doing as they keep records of every library book I check out.

Hmmm, I checked out a book on airplanes early this year. Must mean that I'm gonna use the book to study where the best part of the plane is to plant a bomb so that I can blow it up inflight. Yep, I'm a terrorist. Oh yeah, I also own an almanac, that makes me an even bigger terrorist because, oh no! I have the stats on how many people visited the Statue of Liberty in 1997! Heaven forbid!

I bet if I had a parking ticket they'd flag me red. Hell I'm probably red already for disagreeing with Bush and his administration's draconian security policies.


For the sake of aviation and for the sake of our security and privacy, vote democrat this year and get that inept fool and his administration out of office. Good lord, what comes next?

[Edited 2004-01-28 19:16:34]
 
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RE: US Gov't Order To Airlines: We Need Your Lists

Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:21 am

That shoe bomber was a Brit but he was somewhere from Pakistan or India, so he would have met some profile of an "evil doer".
Anyway, this is all B(u)S(h) if you ask me.

If somebody REALLY wants to get into the US they wont do it in an obvious way.
At least not if it is something as organized as 9/11.
Some misled sould might try something but that person could also be John Doe from down the street.
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RE: US Gov't Order To Airlines: We Need Your Lists

Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:30 am

not to get to political...if we had a democrat in office for this term, we would still be figuring out who we should apologize to for 9/11. And for all of you out there thinking that Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq, read press reports in 1998 from Former Pres. Clinton about Iraq and WMDs. I hate to tell you this, but he said the same exact thing that Bush is saying presently.

Anywho, this system still would be better than nothing at all.

Hmmm, I checked out a book on airplanes early this year. Must mean that I'm gonna use the book to study where the best part of the plane is to plant a bomb so that I can blow it up inflight. Yep, I'm a terrorist. Oh yeah, I also own an almanac, that makes me an even bigger terrorist because, oh no! I have the stats on how many people visited the Statue of Liberty in 1997! Heaven forbid!

Like OMG, you know all of that? What is this world coming to?  Insane

Reality check man. At worse, it will give people pseudo-security. They rather have that then nothing at all. But then again, you would rather not have that.

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RE: US Gov't Order To Airlines: We Need Your Lists

Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:53 am

Those who are willing to give up their liberty in the name of security, deserve neither liberty nor security.

A famous man said that. Benjamin Franklin. Maybe you've heard of him.


Now, I disagree with that quote only a little, in that some sacrifices DO have to be made for security. BUT, there is a line that you cross, a line that divides what is necessary from what is ridiculous and wasteful. We have crossed that line.


Pseudo-security? Is that what you want? Just the mere illusion of security? Or how about an administration that implements security procedures that are efficient and that WORK without disrupting or prying into our daily lives as it does on this level. One that doesn't continually pursue fruitless searches in all the wrong places.

And you want to just let it continue. "Oh better this than nothing at all.". True, but dont you want more than that? Are you satisfied with letting the government restrict you and watch you more and more as long as you feel safe? This reminds me of Poindexter's plan to watch every movement of every american for their entire life, during the Reagan administration. That effort was abandoned, thank god, but here we are again. The excuse for that move was for security, and so is this. Now you tell me, just how far are you willing to go?

Your phone lines are already monitored at random. The sites you visit online are already being watched. The patriot act allows them to spy on you without probable cause and without judicial oversight. They can arrest you and hold you for no reason, there is no due process. This is happening already. And the only reason you dont care about it is because it hasnt happened to you or anyone you know...yet...and because Bush thumps his chest and talks about us defeating the evildoers and that makes you feel good.


So, how far are you willing to let it go? We have satellites that can see through buildings and see individuals inside. Are you comfortable with the thought that in the not-too-distant future, its quite possible that they can see you every time you take a dump or take a shower? The technology is there, and they can use it. Do you feel comfortable? Or is that what you want, every aspect of every person's life being watched so that they can't so much as mumble a disagreement with the government without being labeled a terrorist threat.

Bush has already, PUBLICLY, stated that some newspapers who disagreed with his position on Iraq were being un-american. Un-american, for excercising their 1st amendment rights. Gee, that's a good thing to be hearing from the commander in chief.

But hey, it makes you feel safe, it makes you feel good. Until, of course, you're the one getting a cavity search at the airport, or having a background check done as you go to the photo developing place to get back pictures you took on your vacation. You know, anyone could be a terrorist...and you going on vacation, why you just might have been documenting areas to strike next. Can't be too careful!

All in the name of feeling safe. And you want to elect this admin to another 4 years. God help us all. Call me paranoid. Can you say any of this is far-fetched when it is ALREADY happening?


This topic needs to be moved to non-av.
 
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RE: US Gov't Order To Airlines: We Need Your Lists

Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:09 am

Personally, I would not want to watch myself take a dump...not a pretty picture. But what does this have to do with the FAA taking lists of people who are on flights? It is looking at passengers criminal records not recording how many times a day you sh^t.

and because Bush thumps his chest and talks about us defeating the evildoers and that makes you feel good.

And getting rid of someone who was an oversized threat to our nation had no effect on you? It made you feel bad or angry? Someone who had the potential to destroy all of our lives and our country and you are pissed at Bush for destroying the enemy? It is kinda hard to retaliate when there is no one left to defend a country.

You say that Bush called un-american the newspapers who opposed the war. You are allowed to exercise your rights. But when there was a ruler in power who murdered thousands of his own citizens, how can you even say that it was not right to defend the poor and oppressed? Yeah me thinks that that is written in American historical literature.

Until, of course, you're the one getting a cavity search at the airport, or having a background check done as you go to the photo developing place to get back pictures you took on your vacation. You know, anyone could be a terrorist...and you going on vacation, why you just might have been documenting areas to strike next. Can't be too careful!

You know, that way I feel safe...yeah feel safe, no better yet feel good. This may come as a shock but there are still people willing to die trying to kill us. This needs to be a one step at a time process. Yet, apparantly if we vote demacrat then everything will be just fine.  Insane (Sorry that one made me laugh)

And the sad thing is, if this was a Demo in office...everything would be just great. Sad world of politics we live in today.

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RE: US Gov't Order To Airlines: We Need Your Lists

Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:43 am

Teva,

You took the words out of my mouth, This is not going to accomplish a thing, I can be a terrorist and the government would never know it, I said it before and I will say it again. Give the pilots guns, equip all planes with those doors, put an air marshal on every flight and screen every passenger thoroughly, that's all you have to do, giving the Government a million names will do nothing, now our tax money has to go to paying people to sit in a room and cross check all these names, my God..
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RE: US Gov't Order To Airlines: We Need Your Lists

Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:20 am

This is a waste. All you have to do is make up a phony history. Anybody ever seen Eraser with the Governator? Case and point.

Just another freedom taken away and another point for the terrorist jerk-offs.

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