applepie81
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Why Did Nobody Buy The ATP?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 5:17 am

The ATP never really sold well. It was updated in the early 90's as the Jetstream 61 but by that time the company had merged with ATR so the ATR-72 was the prefered option.
Why did the ATP fail in so many ways?
 
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RE: Why Did Nobody Buy The ATP?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 10:32 am

I only rode as a passenger on the ATP, but from what I understand from my friends that flew it, it was a maintenance nightmare. Needlessly complicated and prone to breakdowns. It quickly got a reputation as a hangar queen, and airlines bought other planes to fit the niche.

It was kind of like the L1011 - a great plane to fly, once you got it out of the gate.

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RE: Why Did Nobody Buy The ATP?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 10:41 am

The market for big turboprops hasn't been good for a long time, and really suffered in the RJ craze. The ATP suffered against the Dash-8 and ATR-72 in that it didn't have a "smaller" child (I know, it was derived from the HS 748, but that's a significantly earlier "generation").

Performance was also, well, shall we be polite and say "stately?" I seem to recall an article in the last couple of years talking about a flight experience with Manx in the UK, and something telling was that, with a full load, they were only getting 500fpm climb at 8000 feet! Operating turboprops at sub-14000' really hurts on fuel burn, in my experience (remember that half the atmosphere of the planet is below the 14,000' level).

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RE: Why Did Nobody Buy The ATP?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 10:42 am

2 reasons:
1. The PW powerplants had early reliability problems which caused bad press.
2. The ATP was not part of family of ATP airliners...hecne it appeared as an orphan.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
 
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RE: Why Did Nobody Buy The ATP?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:50 pm

Came out the same time the first RJ's arrived on scene.
ATR basicly has treated all of the Bae regional props as bastard stepchildren, since they mergered the two lines.

Unfortunatly the ATP also was not designed as a replacement for the HS.748, which is a wonderful rought field turboprop. This made it a harder sell with satisfied 748 customers who might be looking to replace that 30 year old aircraft.
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