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DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:25 am

Hi all,

Just looking through the photo database and a question came up.

So are DL and CO the only two operators of the 767-400ER? Is this true?


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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:27 am

soon to include LOT polish airlines, but only in my flight sim world...  Big grin
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:28 am

Yes it is true. Boeing built the B764ERs as a replacement for CO's and DL's old DC10s. The B764ER was specially built to suit CO's and DL's needs
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:28 am

Heh... Justin do a quick search for 764 and 767-400ER and so on, and you will find no less than 10 million recent threads about why only DL and CO operate the plane.

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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:28 am

I had been asking myself this question too for a while. I've never seen the planes either.

And another question, what is the difference between 764 and 772?

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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:34 am

To answer your question, Komododx, well... quite obviously, one is a 767 while the other is a 777.

Now, that entails several things. First, as you probably already realize, the two share nothing in common- save manufacturer. The 777 has a longer range. It has the potential of carrying more passengers. Although, one of the 764 operators (I think Delta, pretty sure) has their 764 configured with more seats than their 777.

That's a start.

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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:36 am

"Yes it is true. Boeing built the B764ERs as a replacement for CO's and DL's old DC10s. The B764ER was specially built to suit CO's and DL's needs"

Sort of. They were to replace CO's DC-10's and DL's L1011's.
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:38 am

Heh... Justin do a quick search for 764 and 767-400ER and so on, and you will find no less than 10 million recent threads about why only DL and CO operate the plane.

Oh I'm so sorry...

How many 764's to CO and DL operate each?

And another question, what is the difference between 764 and 772?

Would be interesting to see the differences also  Smile

Thanks for everyone that helped.

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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:40 am

No reason to be sarcastic, the point I was trying to make was helpful. Last week or so there were literally 10 simultaneous threads, that include all the information you're seeking here.

The search function is a great resource for quickly answering your questions with a minimum of effort.

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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:44 am

No reason to be sarcastic, the point I was trying to make was helpful. Last week or so there were literally 10 simultaneous threads, that include all the information you're seeking here.

The search function is a great resource for quickly answering your questions with a minimum of effort.


I wasn't being sarcastic mate  Laugh out loud

Boeing built the B764ERs as a replacement for CO's and DL's old DC10s. The B764ER was specially built to suit CO's and DL's needs

Would of been kind of nice of Boeing to do such a thing wouldn't it?!  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:49 am

Would of been kind of nice of Boeing to do such a thing wouldn't it?!

Boeing actually had little initial desire to build the 764ER at that time... it tried very hard to sell the 772A to DL and CO, but they werent havin' it.
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:03 am

If memory serves me correctly didnt the US Airforce order a -400 for testing of some sorts? I could be wrong please correct my if im wrong.

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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:06 am

Yes they did.

ILFC and GECAS were former customers to boot.
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 10:11 am

Thanks AA737-823

But wouldn't it have been just easier for DL and CO to order 772s or 3s for that matter?

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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-40

Sun Feb 01, 2004 10:43 am

Komododx,

A 772 would probably be too much plane for the routes the 764s are used on. Both carriers already fly 772s, I think they were looking for something smaller/lighter/cheaper to run.
 
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Sun Feb 01, 2004 10:44 am

Yes, If only AA would replace the bus with a nice fleet of 34 764's. But no
commonality and no cargo space.  Sad
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:48 am

The 764ER was an L-1011 replacement for Delta. Though it is capable of much more than the L-1011. CO uses their 764ER's to their full potential, operating them overseas; they were DC-10-30 replacements. Delta's 764ERs serve only domestic routes. But Delta doesn't need them internationally. Their 763ER's and Boeing 777's already adequately fulfill that role. Though maybe Delta might consider adding the 764ER to their international system. It has over a 5,000 nautical mile range. But I don't think DL is likely to do this. CO and DL may always be the only operators of this aircraft. With the coming of the 7E7, I doubt the 764ER is going to gain much more ground in its share of the market.
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:11 am

I recall the other threads about the 764 but I am not sure whether there were carriers from Africa also operating this aircraft. Does anyone know?
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:19 am

Ethiopian has/is getting them. I already see them scheduled on thier ADD-FCO-EWR-IAD runs later this year.
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:24 am

Though it is capable of much more than the L-1011.

Nuh uh... The L-1011-500 is a more capable plane than the 767-400ER, especially in cargo uplift and range departments.

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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:46 am

Ethiopian has/is getting them. I already see them scheduled on thier ADD-FCO-EWR-IAD runs later this year.

Nope. Though I understand why you might think this.

For whatever reason, since 2002... ET has off-and-on had the 764 in their schedules. However, they didnt order it (both they, KQ, and AT were all thought to be future operators... KQ chose the 772ER and AT went for the 763ER).

Since ILFC and GECAS no longer hold their original 764ER orders, there's really no way ET can have them for the schedule they constantly propose.
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-40

Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:09 am

Ethiopian Airlines has not ordered nor is operating any 767-400s on its ADD-FCO-EWR-IAD runs. I have seen this mistake on the Amadeus timetable for a while... ET only operates 767-300s from that family of aircraft (some leased, some owned). It is to be noted that it is acquiring 6 767-300s with the first one (Et-ALJ) already flying in the airline's new colours. As for Kenya Airways, they had initially placed for the -400ER (or one with a longer range) but since Boeing was unable to get additional orders, they settled for ordering the 777, which they will start operating some time next year.
 
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?

Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:13 am

but since Boeing was unable to get additional orders

...not so much that as the fact that the 764ERX engine was to be that of the (1st of the) defunct 747 stretch. Boeing decided to build the 772LR with only three initial orders from BR!*


*though, the case can also be made that they see much more potential in this model than the 764ERX
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-40

Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:19 am

This topic is getting almost as popular as NW DC9's