Sabena 690
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EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:07 am

Following a comprehensive review of custumor demand for Premier Class (Business Class) services within Europe, Aer Lingus has taken the decision to reduce the number of routes on which Premier class is offered.

Effective march 1st 2004, Aer Lingus will offer Premier Class within continental Europe on the following routes ONLY:

Dublin - Amsterdam
Dublin - Brussels
Dublin - Frankfurt

Source: EI newsletter 29 jan 2004.

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I guess the 3 above airports must get quite some high yield since premier economy isn't cut on those flights? Even BRU where EI has to compete with Ryanair...

I'm surprised that DUB-LHR isn't mentioned. How will the BA high yield business pax connecting to DUB react? Will BA maintain the codeshare with EI? Both airlines have a very different approach towards on board service...

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Frederic
 
lanalemania
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:15 am

This step would fit to their new concept of becoming an LCC. I think it's really sad, but if they will become a "full" LCC, they won't fit to the other oneworld-airlines any more.
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LJ
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:34 am

I'm surprised that DUB-LHR isn't mentioned.

The reason is that LHR is not a continental European destination and thus doesn't belong in the list with the three other destinations
 
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:47 am

What is EI's service like on long-haul flights, have they cut back?

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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:50 am

There are no longer free alcoholic drinks in the economy cabin of Aer Lingus flights between Ireland and the US.
 
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:00 am

To be honest,flying LHR-DUB is just like LHR-EDI,it won't make much if any difference to be honest.

Like most BA Exec pax on short haul like this,the most relaxing/best part is the BA Terraces lounges,they are superb.
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:48 am

Ba319-131: you're certainly correct that the best part of flying BA's domestic routes is the visit to the Terraces lounge - it's certainly not the flight itself as BA is woefully lacking when compared to bmi's domestic business class product (and for a lower fare than BA's flexible, risk of sitting in the middle seat fare).
 
dmerinop
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:29 am

What´s happening with AerLingus??? First they charge for every drink in every single flight (including transanlantic) and no meals in domestic & european flights, no Premier class in any european route (expect the three mentioned before)... what´s next???

Dani
 
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:22 am

What's next?

Aer Lingus has thrived in recent years by increasing traffic with rock bottom fares. It is simply the way aviation is headed. Aer Lingus is doubling its route structure, renewing their fleet and enjoying profits while travelers have access to low fares on nonstop flights to more and more destinations.

The days of free drinks, perks and high customer service have been overthrown by customers who demand low fare service.

 
dmerinop
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:31 pm

But AerLingus is a National airline like BA, AF, IB... and has to compete with that type of quality...
Low prices? Well meaby in some routes or when you get a good offer but I was looking to go AGP-DUB and worked out cheaper with CityJet (AF) and you get far more service than AerLingus.

Dani
 
Sabena 690
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:34 pm

They still have those annoying booking rules for the cheapest fares like a 'Sunday rule' and a minimum stay of 2 days in the week.

Are they going to change those?

Frederic
 
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:54 pm

And so they should, the service is crap, and not worthy of a business class title
 
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:40 am

Aer Lingus is finally doing what an airline should be doing: putting backsides on seats and flying more planes to more destinations. It's the only major European flag carrier which has successfully transformed itself this way; others will have to follow.

Ultimately, much as I like wide seats, sleeperettes, yada yada, yada . . . flying people at an economic cost is what airlines exist for, not to serve meals.

Good luck to them (although they seem to be enjoying plenty of it already).
 
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:50 am

EI should change the DUB LHR service to a shuttle like the BOS/LGA/DCA route operated by US & DL. Their A320s have terrible configurations for seat pitch.

Also, does anyone else know of a worse frequent flyer program than the one EI operates? If so, I would like to see it.
 
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:14 am

" Their A320s have terrible configurations for seat pitch. "

Wait until you experience the even tighter seating envisaged on their future Airbuses, which will be delivered later this year.

For the record Premier Class is to be retained to
AMS,BRU,FRA,EDI,GLA,MAN & BHX (plus transatlantic services) according to a letter from EI, issued to frequent fliers yesterday.

Interesting that CDG does not rate Premier class.
 
dstc47
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:21 am

Sorry forgot LHR in the list above.
 
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:25 am

Premier class on short-haul flights is nothing to write home about as it is. As far as I'm concerned, they can do away with it. However, Aer Lingus still has a very competitive business class on its trans-atlantic routes.
 
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:11 am

Sabena 690 - I recently booked a day trip with Aer Lingus MAN/DUB/MAN and the fare was a rock bottom £22 + tax. No minimum stay was required.
 
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:26 am

@Trident2e

It varies from route to route. They do not have it on a few routes in direct competition with Ryanair (also flying DUB-MAN).

The cheapest BRU-DUB day-return on EI costs about €360. If you count in a saturday night, the price goes down to about €90/100.

I flew FR EDI-DUB-EDI this summer for €35. It was during the week with one night between the flights. During the week, EI wanted that you stayed two nights so the cheapest fare they offered me was around €300.

Besides DUB-MAN, another example is DUB-SNN (no restrictions on this route also).

Frederic
 
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:35 am

Who gives a shit about business class on anything under an hour? The UK flights are all about 40 mins, NW Europe are about 70 mins. Oh jeez, I need a sleeperette! Yeah right. Nice to see Aer Lingus conforming to the actual needs of their customers (ie cheap and reliable) instead of clinging to sacred cows from the past (ie free booze, free food, "business class" etc). For a minute back there I thought they were going the way of Swissair and Sabena. Lucky Ireland, they got to keep their airline after all. Phew.
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:18 am

Disappointing move -- but no surprise...

EI has been moving towards a LCC... and "Premier" European service is nothing to write home about. They get the convertible seats but the meals are pretty dismal... only breakfast and dinner are served in a tray, but lunch is a sandwich bag... like a fancy version of American Airlines' "Bistro" bag served in the Y class domestic market. The EI lounge is pretty awful in LHR... it is a room with no window, limited beverage and snack selection. The EI lounge at DUB is better, but still no "real" food... only biscuits... pretty poor in today's standard.

If you have to fly European J, I will choose BA over EI, especially LHR-Ireland service.

I guess people buy J these days for the flexibility of the fares and within short notice.

Carfield
 
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RE: EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights

Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:46 am

If you have to fly European J, I will choose BA over EI, especially LHR-Ireland service.

This doesn't leave you with much of a choice, all Irish flights out of LHR are with EI rather than BA, they just have codeshares on the EI flights. The other point you make about buying J (actually C on most flights in Europe these days) fares for flexibility doesn't really make any difference - this same flexibility is available on full Y fares on EI, for example.

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