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First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:18 am

As I was leaving for work just seconds ago (2:16PM) ... I heard a plane up in the sky and when I looked up I was surprised to see A US Airways CRJ700!!! PHL Photographers take out your cameras and US Airways lovers keep looking up into the sky!

P.S. This is not a joke.... I'm being dead serious! Big grin:D:D:D
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:28 am

Why are they getting the CRJ-700 if they just recently took delivery of an ERJ-170? They are quite similar, although one is more superrior than the other. (I won't say which one -- I don't want to offend anyone  Nuts)

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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:36 am

Nice, now they can get rid of those De Havillands. I see them take off at ISP alot, i just feel we don't need to be flying prop jobs commercially in this day and age..With the ERJs there is no reason to..
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:54 am

Why are they getting the CRJ-700 if they just recently took delivery of an ERJ-170?

The ERJ-170s aren't even released yet.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:58 am

I will never understand why people here don't like turboprops....

Anyway, that's still good news for USAirways
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:24 am

It's not the ERJ-170
It's the EMBRAER 170!!!!
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:25 am

Hey Guys,

That exactly I don't see with their pics of CRJ-700 aircraft either and can you someone please send me a link with their pics? Thanks! This is not serious about of their new planes.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:01 am

I have nothing against turboprops, just don't feel like paying a commercial airline fare and flying one. This is why Embraer and Canadair are in business. To provide Regional Jets.
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:12 am

Really? I'll have keep my eyes peeled. I didn't realize they were coming online this early. If anyone does have any pics, please post!!

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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:29 am

NIKV69:

You pay a commercial airfare for the airline to transport you from point A to point B, in a safe and efficient manner. The airline decides what equipment is most efficient for the segment, not you.

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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:20 am

No, Walt...it's the customers who decide...with their wallets! They almost always have a choice of carrier when traveling, so in the end the company must decide which aircraft will attract the most passengers. US has already lost market share in some cities because competitors decided to fly regional jets to those places instead of prop jobs.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:28 am

Personally, I like the DH-8 (or an ATR) more than any RJ, except of course the leg room is a little worse, it seems. I like window seats and watching the world pass by below, and I love the sound of the props. No, I would not want to fly one on a 500 mile flight, or in very turbulent conditions, but on the DCA-Allentown route I enjoyed them immensely.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:37 am

You like the ATR? You like a plane that de-ices it wings by pnuematic boots? That thanks to poor French design caused deaths due to the fact that ice was still able to build up on the wing? Or does everyone forget when every ATR was grounded in 1994. Give me a break, this is 2004, there is no reason on God's green earth we should flying prop jobs.

Thanks Usdcaguy, I am glad there are some people using their brains here, your right, out of my options from ISP to Cleveland I choose CO, they fly 145s. So US Airways loses a customer. You guys want to fly prob jobs, go ahead, Me, I want to live in the 21st Century..

GO EMBRAER!!!
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:40 am

Why are they getting the CRJ-700 if they just recently took delivery of an ERJ-170?

The same day they placed the orders for the Embraer 170, they placed orders for the CRJ-700.

The ERJ-170s aren't even released yet.

The Embraer 170 has already been issued a 'Temporary Airworthness Certificate.' This will allow USAirways to start crew training and Proving Runs. The first 2 -170 are now ready for delivery and are just waiting for USAirways to pick them up.


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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:45 am

Um, actually there are a lot of good reasons why props are still used, number one being that a jet will never be as efficient as a turboprop.

And a LOT of aircraft use pneumatic boots to prevent ice buildup. Many, many more, in fact, than use electrical heat, TKS, or the new technologies like the Premier 1, for example, uses.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:51 am

Yes and they are slower and not as safe as pure Jet power, besides the majority of the public does not want to see propellers when they board a plane, it's the plain truth..Got to change with the times. I also want to see Embraer sell alot of AC, I think they are great..
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-40

Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:40 pm

I myself prefer RJ compared to TurboProps. The turboprop I hate the most is the Saab 340, noisy, slow, and weight restricted. If I had to pick a turboprop to fly it would be the DH8-Q200, decent airplane for a prop and not usually weight restricted.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:57 pm

If it was a CRJ-700 is was a Mesa Jet, flying under the Express colors, I believe that they are supposed to have something like 15 700's in the fleet in the near future.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:14 pm

It was definitely a CRJ700 I know that for a fact! I know what a CRJ200 looks like and I even verfied it on the PHL Webcam when I ran back inside the house to see it land! So again PHL Photographer's keep your eyes open! Big grin
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:25 pm

I dont know....I looked up all the Mesa flts arrive between 6am-3pm today and all the PSA flts between 6am-3pm and not a single CRJ-700.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:27 pm

Are the CRJ700s actually Mesa aircraft flying as US Airways Express? And are the Embraer 170s US Airways equipment or are they going to one of thier "Express" outfits?
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:50 am

Yes the CRJ-700 is a MESA aircraft, the Embraier 170 I believe is a MidAtlantic Airways plane, but there is a tremendous amount of doubt if they will ever fly.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 1:04 am

You like the ATR? You like a plane that de-ices it wings by pnuematic boots? That thanks to poor French design caused deaths due to the fact that ice was still able to build up on the wing? Or does everyone forget when every ATR was grounded in 1994. Give me a break, this is 2004, there is no reason on God's green earth we should flying prop jobs.

I for one don't really care RJ vs Turboprop on segments up to one hour. I will choose my flight based on other factors than prop vs fan. Count yourself lucky if you even have the choice, alot of places do not. There are lots of reasons to be flying on props. Turboprops have a smaller noise footprint, are more efficient on short stages, and in some cases are actually FASTER on short stages.

What does the fact the ATR uses de-icing boots have to do with anything? Sorry to say most props (dating back to pre WW2) and even a few jets use boots. Also, the ATR was grounded yes, but it's flying now, and has redesigned deicing boots which prevent the ice ridge formations that caused Roselawn. ATRs are even flying in the Arctic now, with First Air, and seem to be fairly trouble free doing so. The DC-10 was grounded, the MD-80, 727 and 737 very nearly grounded... i don't see the relevance of it being grounded?

Anyways, good for US getting some CRJ-700s in service. Hopefully it will help the bottom line!
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-40

Tue Feb 03, 2004 1:46 am

Usairways should have let PSA or Piedmont operate the CRJ-700. Mesa will do there normal horrible job of operating an airplane.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 1:49 am

If MESA is doing such a horrible job for USAirways then why is MESA the largest Express operator for USAIRWAYS? 53 Jets and 23 Turboprops, and in a short while PSA will become MESA anyway, and Piedmont and Allegheney are on the verge of being liquidated.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 1:50 am

PSA will operate 25 CRJ-701 aircraft for US Airways Express. Mesa will operate a minimum of 25, and a maximum of 55, CRJ-701 aircraft for US Airways Express.
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-40

Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:02 am

At least they will have 25 CRJ-701 that will be decently run.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:11 am

I doubt that you would even know if you were on a MESA 700 or not considering the way the routes are set up, most people think its just a USAirways plane, not a plane operated by PSA , MESA, Chatauqua, ect.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:19 am

The DH8 has a distinctly roomier feel to it than most turboprops as it's got the 2x2 seating. I frankly findi t comparable to regional jets in choosing which I would rather fly, and most of the time a DH8 is going to be cheaper to operate than an RJ - read: cheaper ticket.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:20 am

What a coincidence... It just might be the last too...
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:41 am

Are they painted in USAirways colors? I would think they would have just painted them white because they will need a new coat of paint in a few months when they are sold off.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:45 am

I don't know about the mainland US, but in the caribbean, RJ's just would not be very profitable. Our islands are on average 25 mins apart from each other. Granted on long flights RJ's would be great, but for the island hopping, the dash 8's are working just fine. Then there is the problem with airports with ridiculously short runways. SO I see Dash 8's being in our region for a very long time. I prefer them, find them more comfortable and quieter than the ATR's though. The Q series are really nice.
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:45 am

Devil505x... The plane was fully painted in US Airways colors.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:59 am

I was thinking that it may not be on any schedules because It may be donig some kind of proving/training flights. I also couldn't remember if PSA or Mesa were getting the -700s, but I guess that was answered. PSA has begun delivery on -200s.

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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:05 am

What does the fact the ATR uses de-icing boots have to do with anything? Sorry to say most props (dating back to pre WW2) and even a few jets use boots. Also, the ATR was grounded yes, but it's flying now, and has redesigned deicing boots which prevent the ice ridge formations that caused Roselawn. ATRs are even flying in the Arctic now, with First Air, and seem to be fairly trouble free doing so. The DC-10 was grounded, the MD-80, 727 and 737 very nearly grounded... i don't see the relevance of it being grounded?

You don't see the relevance of an entire fleet of a plane being grounded in a country due to terrible design? That's great that Aerospatiale redesigned them, those poor people are sure glad too, a little late though. You want to fly turboprobs go right ahead. I'll stick to the Brazilian 145s..
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:36 am

Glad to see USAirways making the transition from props to RJs.

Walt, you're right about the airlines choosing which aircraft they use to provide a service from A to B. However, as an informed traveler, I make it a point to know the equipment type before I book a flight, and I make the decision whether or not to buy a ticket.

Not to turn this into a prop vs. jet thread, but I will never fly on a prop unless it is absolutely unavoidable. I have flown hundreds of thousands of miles over the last 25 years or so, and the only time I have ever felt really really close to dying was on an Atlantic Southeast prop from Atlanta to Columbus, GA. I won't go into the details, but it was a horrific experience. Props are slower, noisy and often have an unstable feel to them. To each his own, but I'd rather drive.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:38 am

i just feel we don't need to be flying prop jobs commercially in this day and age..With the ERJs there is no reason to..

Yes, there is. Turboprops are much less costly than RJs to operate, and in lower-yield markets, it is still not efficient to operate regional jets. Turboprops will continue to decline, but they will be around for a while.
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:08 am

I am the same way in general. I will choose to drive usually if I can not get jet service usually. I will usually get my money back if the airline downgrades from a jet to a prop or have them change to another city or carrier that has jet service.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:27 am

The truth is there is no need for turboprops except for charters. Any commercial airline flying short hops can operate a regional jet. Not every flight is going to be full but to have all jet service in the long run is more cost effective. US Air loses me to CO every time I fly out of ISP because I will choose a 145 to a Dash 8 every time..
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:55 am

The truth is there is no need for turboprops except for charters. Any commercial airline flying short hops can operate a regional jet.

This is untrue. Many airports cannot handle RJ's because of runway restrictions (I believe CO pulled out of ILE for this). Also, some cities don't produce the traffic to support multiple daily RJ's, but still warrant having air service. Also, RJ's have much higher operating costs than turboprops do. Their high operating cost is only compensated by the low wages the crews that fly them are paid.


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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:00 am

Well if they can't handle RJs on their runways they are obviously a destination that is pretty remote. Turbopops that are flying into these airports are probably a very short flight. That's fine but for the real commercial routes there is no place for them..
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RE: DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-40

Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:55 am

A lot of these cities that have turboprops are EAS cities. I for one as a thing if the local communities want air service they need to find a way to fund it locally, not with federal tax dollars.

I personally think if the cities cant handle 2 or 3 RJ's a day its not worth servicing.
 
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RE: First US Airways CRJ700 Spotted!

Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:13 am

FYI, the Dash 8 interior is in fact bigger than the CRJ. Just slightly wider cabin at the arm rest height but with a much higher ceiling and cabin floor width.
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