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Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:03 am

Delta Air Lines' Vice President of Public Relations was in Beirut recently and met MEA chairman Mohammad El-Hout. They had a 4-hour conference in MEA's headquarters. Several other Delta officials came along as well. Not sure what they were talking about, but in October, El-Hout said that a couple airlines will be discussing code-shares and other agreements with MEA.

Anyone think Delta wants a code-share with MEA? Perhaps because of MEA's Skyteam entrance in November.....

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:38 am

I know what DL wants...it wants to codeshare on MEAs CDG-BEY-CDG flights and in return get MEA to code share on its mutiple daily CDG-JFK-CDG + CDG-ATL-CDG + CDG-CIN-CDG flights.

From ATL, MEA might too codeshare on DLs ATL-DTW flights and ATL-LAX and ATL-DFW/IAH flights!!!

I bet that is what DL is interested in doing as they know that it will be a long time until MEA is allowed direct access by the US Govt for flights from BEY to NYC and DTW.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:12 am

Hey BA,

Where did you get hear about DL into their conference with MEA. So I would will able join with skyteam alliances for them. How can you will think about of those airlines to join them.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:14 am

ScottyAir,

I got this info from an MEA insider. MEA will be joining Skyteam in November as an associate member through their partnership with Air France.

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:16 am

Ah! I see about them and thanks for telling me with the news of MEA. It would be wonderful to hear with other airlines to join with Skyteam alliances.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:21 am

BA,

You always surprise us with new information, where did you hear about this meeting? Where did you hear that Skyteam will be finalized in November?
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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:34 am

MEA321,

As I said in my reply to ScottysAir, from an MEA insider.

Skyteam was also mentioned by MEA330 who works for MEA.

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:11 am

How did the VP of PR of DL get to Beirut? On an Air France flight?

This should be the last word for all the naysayers who think that Delta would never want to codeshare with an airline from the Mid East.

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:15 am

BA,

Looks like you've got the inside scoop on MEA pretty good. Not surprising that they are talking. But wil see what it measn at the end.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:20 am

AirxLiban,

Probably an AF.

It shows for me because I have Arabic font installed on my computer, but it won't show for everyone.

Tayaran Al-Sharq Al-Owsut Al-Khoutout Al-Jowiyeh Al-Lubnaniya

Exact translation:
Airlines East Middle Lines Air Lebanese

Readable translation:

Middle East Airlines/Air Liban

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:21 am

Yegbey01,

This insider will be joining Airliners.net soon. So I will be nothing soon. You'll want to fire me as your MEA news provider.  Big grin

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:39 pm

BA,

You will always be on top of the list when it comes to interesting news regarding MEA.

By the way, have you looked at the BA (KJ) fligth schedule this summer to BEY. 10 weekly flights (5 321's and 5 320's).
I figured they would upgrade the service to two dailies for the sumer....
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:59 pm

Yegbey01,

Really? Last summer they operated 11x weekly.

I will take a good look. Last summer it was mostly A320s. Perhaps also a few of the flights do not continue to AMM and DAM. I'll take a look.

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:11 pm

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:47 pm

Very interseting news BA,though you're abroad you seem to be much into knowing more about ME), Brazil">MEA's activities!(thanks for that insider!)
Hope those ME-DL discussions will be made public soon.

A question for MEA330 if it happens that you're reading this:

I've been spotting an MEA330 doing touch & go's for over two hours now,any words on that?
Is it some training session?


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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:35 pm

MEA310,

MEA330 posts very few times, but I will try to answer the questions for you. Anytime you see an airliner doing touch and go's at an airport in its country more than twice then you know its probably training and not something wrong with the plane.

Touch and go's are not necessarily landing practice also, they could be certifying the MEA pilots for CATIII ILS operations (landing in zero-zero conditions). Sometimes touch and go's are also done after maintenence has been performed on a plane, among other reasons. Hope that helps...

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:10 pm

MEA's intention to join SkyTeam was again clearly expressed by Mohamad A. El-Hout (MEA's Chairman) in "CEDAR WINGS" (MEA's Inflight Magazine - Dec/Jan edition p.107 ).

P.Alexandre (AF N°2 Manager) spent a week in Beiru last November. As Delta is the other founder member of SkyTeam, there is nothing strange that their manager is in BEY for final talks with MEA.

Same things are currently in progress with Aeroflot, who officially claimed for membership last January 29th.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:33 am

DL also has been pursuing Emirates very heavily lately........esp since JFK-DXB will be up and running later. Will this effect their relations with El Al in any way.......I know El Al burnt a few bridges over the holiday season with their overbookings from EWR!!!
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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:44 am

MEA321

Thought I'd ask MEA330 since he's an insider.I never thought there was a problem with the plane,it was clearly training purposes since they performed several touch&go's.


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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:55 am

FLYSSC,

I have just found out today that the Vice President of Public Relations was in Beirut in November. Probably the same time the Air France officials were there.

I heard that a code-share is on the way.
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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:06 am

MEA310,

Which runway were the MEA touch-and-goes landing on?

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:25 am

BA

I believe it was the usual rwy17, unless rwy18 is still operating which I highly doubt.I spotted this session from home with my binocular Big grin

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:41 am

Runway 18/36 is still operating, but not very much anymore. This summer, I saw MEA A330 touch and goes on runway 18.

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:03 am

What are the possible scenarios:

DL codesharing on MEA's flights from CDG, FRA, MXP and FCO? And possibly MEA's flights to DXB, AUH? It's been discussed here that DL's flights to IST are coordinated already with MEA's flights there.

But, I am still wondering what MEA can offer DL (or Skyteam in general) since the MEA operation out of BEY is a bit sporadic and does not operate as a hub and spoke. And most airports in the middle east do get good service by AZ, AF and KLM.

As it is, BEY is well served by SkyTeam carriers: OK, AZ, AF and KL and Aeroflot which will be joining soon.

Is there a possibility that some of the SKyTeam carriers might decide to pull out of BEY??? For instance, AZ.... or maybe MEA could pull out of MXP,FCO and transfer the aircraft to boost service to points withinn the middle east...





 
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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:51 am

Yegbey01,

MEA does operate a hub-and-spoke system, and it is an efficient one. Flights are few, but it's still a hub-and-spoke system. They are far from being sporadic. MEA was sporadic before 1998 during the 707 days when they operated a bunch of 1x weekly routes.

It is true that most airports in the Middle East are served well by AZ, AF, and KLM, but the idea is to provide passengers even more options.

I think MEA will be most valuable to Delta. It will greatly expand Delta's realm into the Middle East.

I don't think Skyteam carriers will pull out of BEY. The flights are profitable.

Air France started with A310s and now is flying daily 777s. Czech Airlines is now flying 4x weekly 737-400. Alitalia is now flying 8x weekly A320. They all do very well.

I don't think MEA will pull out of MXP and FCO. The idea of an alliance/partnership is for airlines to cooperate with each other. That's why you see both Air France and MEA jointly operating CDG-BEY and code-sharing with each other.

MEA recently increased FCO/MXP frequency from 3x weekly to 4x weekly, so they must be happy with it.

Alitalia is increasing Beirut from daily to 8x weekly A320 soon.

Aeroflot is increasing BEY from 2x weekly (non-stop inbound, one-stop outbound via DAM) to 3x weekly non-stop (non-stop on both inbound and outbound) TU-154.

Perhaps because of Aeroflot's planned entrance into Skyteam?

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:22 pm

BA,
Don't get me wrong here. I am just trying to analyze the benefits to MEA after joining SKyTeam.
They will definitely have some options which they never had before; Access to 5 or 6 European hubs for seemless connections. It will almost guarantee full loads on all flights.

But without new aircraft, they won't be able to accomodate middle east traffic. Unless (that is), they cut flights to Europe and serve more destinations in the Gulf.

Just my two canadian cents


 
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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:27 pm

Yegbey01,

If you would like to know MEA's fleet expansion plans email me. There are plans, but it is too early for me to mention them here in the forum especially since it is all preliminary.

MEA will acquire more aircraft.

Frequency to the Middle East will increase this winter as a result of MEA's Skyteam membership.

There current 9 aircraft are never running at full utilization except during the summer. This is why MEA always significantly increases frequencies in the summertime to everywhere. About half of MEA's destinations see higher frequencies in the summer.

Again, if you want more info, email me.

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:46 pm

BA,
That's exactly my point! With the 9 aircraft that MEA currently operates, they are running too thin to launch service to new destinations during the summer. The flights to CPH and DUS will not help SkyTeam at all. They are purely O&D.

That is why I was suggesting that by reducing traffic to certain destinations, other SkyTeam carreirs can pick up the slack and feed BEY while MEA can boost service within the region.

But since you got the info....I think I will wait.... just to enjoy the excitment when they publicly make an announcement.



 
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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:53 pm

Yegbey01,

It looks like CPH and DUS will be seasonal. However, even with DUS and CPH operating, they can still offer more frequencies to the Middle East. But they simply don't except during the summer season. With MEA joining Skyteam, that can change to permanent year-round increases in frequencies rather than just in the summer.

If an airline efficiently utilizes its fleet, you'd be surprised how much they can fly with only 9 planes.

It just requires rearranging of flights which is what MEA does in the summer.

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RE: Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA

Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:26 am

By the way, I think Delta will code-share on MEA's IST-BEY since they already do some unofficial cooperation on Delta's JFK-IST and MEA's IST-BEY service.

MEA330 talked about this....

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