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Boeing In Talks With Indian Carriers - 7E7

Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:11 pm

Boeing Markets Latest 7E7 Jet in India

NEW DELHI, Feb 2 Asia Pulse - US aircraft maker Boeing will soon start talks with Indian carriers to market its latest aircraft, the '7E7', which is due for launch in 2008, as it strives to cash in on the fast-growing Asian aviation market.

Unveiling the company's strategy for the 200-300 seater aircraft, Boeing Senior Vice President (Sales) Dinesh Keskar said on Wednesday the new aircraft would be positioned as a replacement for the Boeing '757' and '767' as well as Airbus A310 and A330 aircraft.

"We are planning to show it to all the airlines. Not only Air India and Indian Airlines, but also Jet Airways and Air Sahara. But, these will be very preliminary talks," Keskar said here.

Deliveries and commercial flight of the '7E7' is expected to start in 2008. It would be available in three types- the 200-seater '7E7', 300-seater 7E7 SR and 250-seater '7E7 Stretch'.

Keskar claimed the new aircraft was 20 per cent more fuel efficient and could carry 40-60 per cent more cargo than those produced by Airbus.

Boeing's 18 737-800 aircraft were selected by Air India in November 2003 as part of a 28-aircraft acquisition deal worth over Rs 100,000 million.

It was, however, left out of an earlier Indian Airlines board decision, which recommended purchase of 43 Airbus aircraft for over Rs 100,000 million.

(PTI)
 
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RE: Boeing In Talks With Indian Carriers - 7E7

Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:15 pm

I wouldn't hold my breath for this one. Even if the airlines are interested, by the time they got through all the government committees, sub-committees, sub-sub-committees................ the 7E7-NG will be just around the corner. Then the contract will have to be re-written, and once again submitted to the government committees, sub-committees, sub-sub-committees..............

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RE: Boeing In Talks With Indian Carriers - 7E7

Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:03 pm

Now that the private carriers are being allowed to fly international routes I'm sure 9W would be interested in the 7E7.

I fail to understand why Boeing is planning to build the 7E7 and the 737-900x at the same time, however. Won't one affect the sales of the other, given that they are more or less the same type of aircraft?
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RE: Boeing In Talks With Indian Carriers - 7E7

Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:50 am

Keskar claimed the new aircraft was 20 per cent more fuel efficient and could carry 40-60 per cent more cargo than those produced by Airbus.

Boeing seems to be sending out mixed signals. Sometimes they say 20% more fuel efficient, and sometimes they say 20% more economical, half of which is due to fuel efficiency and half due to reduced maintenance. And I think the 40-60% more cargo space is after passenger luggage is accommodated, not that the hold is actually that much bigger.

Dijkkijk: "More or less the same" means what -- that they both fly on two engines and carry passengers?

 
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RE: Boeing In Talks With Indian Carriers - 7E7

Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:12 am

"that they both fly on two engines and carry passengers?"

Also that they both use fixed wings for flight, and are jet aircraft built by Boeing. You can also say that they both will be using the same fuel  Wink/being sarcastic


Just look at their proposed ranges and pax capacities and you'll know what I mean by "more-or-less the same type of aircraft".
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RE: Boeing In Talks With Indian Carriers - 7E7

Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:13 am

Are you sure they didnt mean American Indian carriers? Perhaps, the Sioux nation is planning on flights to their casinos, 'cause it will be a snowy day in Bombay before any of the Indian public carriers will have the cojones to be the launch customer for a new airplane. Or even purchase a new airplane.
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RE: Boeing In Talks With Indian Carriers - 7E7

Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:20 am

Boeing seems to be sending out mixed signals. Sometimes they say 20% more fuel efficient, and sometimes they say 20% more economical, half of which is due to fuel efficiency and half due to reduced maintenance. And I think the 40-60% more cargo space is after passenger luggage is accommodated, not that the hold is actually that much bigger.

The two are not the same. Fuel consumption is only one part of the economics of an aircraft. If fuel made up 100% of the total cost of flying the aircraft, then the 7E7 would be 20% more economical with a 20% increase in fuel efficency, but because fuel make up only a percentage of the total cost, it will not make the 7E7 20% more economical on its own.

And yes, it is cargo space after pax bags. If you go check out the 7E7 info on Boeing's website, it will say, "Customers will enjoy forty- to sixty-percent more cargo revenue capacity." Plus, the technical info shows pallet/ULD capacity after bag.
 
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RE: Boeing In Talks With Indian Carriers - 7E7

Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:32 am

The 7E7 may go out of production before an order is approved.
 
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RE: Boeing In Talks With Indian Carriers - 7E7

Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:26 am

Just look at their proposed ranges and pax capacities and you'll know what I mean by "more-or-less the same type of aircraft".

Well, I visited Boeing's web site, and found the following:

7E7 short range (which comes closest to overlapping the 737):
300 passengers (2 class), range 3500nm at Mach 0.85

737-900X: 177 passengers (2 class) range 3600nm at Mach 0.785

Yup, I guess you're right. They're almost the same plane.

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